Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine
Steven M Jones <smj@crash.com> Wed, 02 December 2020 09:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine
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On 12/1/20 7:41 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 12/1/2020 7:03 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: >> Rather that the Domain Owner is *requesting* whatever the Receiver >> implements between rejecting the message and putting it in the inbox, >> and is willing to apply. > > Yes, but... > > The premise that an author domain owner can, in any way, direct the > message disposition decisions of a receiving system is simply false. > It's false to a level of silliness, if one adequately considers the > complete independence of the receiver from the domain owner. Yes, you are absolutely right. But this is why I wrote "requesting" rather than "commanding (with all the guarantees King Canute had when he commanded the tide to halt)" -- the latter phrasing is just /slightly/ too ponderous even for me... Does "requesting" really imply control over the outcome, rather than the expression of a desire? > I'd frankly recommend changing the labels for these expressions, but > expect folk to argue that there is too much installed base and > operational history. Ah, now maybe we're getting somewhere. But if you toss that notion out, you have to follow up with an example or two. Which labels, and changing them in what way? --S.
- [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Laura Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Benny Lyne Amorsen
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Benny Lyne Amorsen
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Laura Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jesse Thompson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Alessandro Vesely