Re: [dmarc-ietf] dmarc and forwarding

Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> Fri, 31 January 2014 00:17 UTC

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From: Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] dmarc and forwarding
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 03:53:51PM -0800, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> I don't agree, since DMARC is predicated in part on the notion that DKIM
> has become sufficiently reliable in general as to be a viable building
> block upon which to build things like DMARC.  Your question is based on the
> idea that your experience is the opposite.  Naturally, we're curious.
> 
> I believe the questions you're getting are actually attempts to help.  Are
> you sure swatting their hands is the right response?

It's my understanding that in general about 90% of the DKIM mails
have a bad signature.  It's also my understanding that were DKIM
tends to fail, SPF tends to work and the other way around.  But
DMARC seems to combining the two in such a way it's more than
likely to have a failure as result instead of a pass.

Why I'm seeing 90% failure in DKIM instead of 10% is irrelevant.


Kurt