Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New pct Tag Defintion
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Tue, 03 August 2021 21:08 UTC
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From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New pct Tag Defintion
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On 8/3/2021 1:42 PM, Todd Herr wrote: > That doesn't mean that I think it's not a useful setting on the > journey from p=none to something stronger; it only means that I can't > remember the particulars of the rewriting that takes place and how the > domain owner can take advantage of information revealed by the > rewriting in order to eventually remove the pct tag. > > It might be this: I'm not trying to argue against your proposal or the one that preceded it, but am concerned that there be a pretty clear and strong case made for specific benefit. That is, clarity about what the benefit will be and clarity that there is shared agreement that the benefit will be obtained and that it is substantial. The pct style of mechanism is not typical for protocol standards, although it comes from a common system development background. And the fact that its use in DMARC is prompting significant change to that mechanism warrants additional care in justifying it and documenting it. IMO. d/ -- Dave Crocker dcrocker@gmail.com 408.329.0791 Volunteer, Silicon Valley Chapter Information & Planning Coordinator American Red Cross dave.crocker2@redcross.org
- [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New pct… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not enhanced status codes Some P… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not enhanced status codes Some P… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… David I
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Reporting rewrites, was Some Propose… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reporting rewrites, was Some Pro… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reporting rewrites Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reporting rewrites Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reporting rewrites Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Proposed Language for a New… Douglas Foster