Re: [DMM] regarding the re-chartering..
Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Wed, 03 September 2014 18:33 UTC
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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote: > > > On 9/3/14 12:50 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Brian Haberman >> <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote: >>> Just for clarification... >>> >>> On 9/3/14 12:22 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am also concerned on the time DMM is taking on dressing up the >>>> charter text. I remind you on what Jari Arkko who is founding AD for >>>> DMM said in Toronto admin plenary: >>>> WGs should have solution work from day 1. >>> >>> Not "should", but rather "could". Not all WGs need to have >>> requirements, frameworks, architecture, etc. That is why this type of >>> discussion during charter development is important. >> >> Here is the quote: >> WGs should have solution work from day 1 >> >> from page 22 of Jari's slides at: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/slides/slides-90-iesg-opsplenary-7.pdf > > Yes, that is what the slide says. The IESG discussed the contents of > this presentation and the overwhelming consensus (and what was > verbalized in the plenary) is that WGs should not be formed where the > *only* output is architecture, frameworks, and/or requirements > documents. The charter should have protocol/solution work on the > charter from day one. It does not mean that non-solution documents > should be skipped if they are needed or provide useful background. > > The charter text that Jouni sent to the mailing has four (4) work items. > By my read, three (3) of them are solutions to identified problem > areas. So, I believe the charter is following the spirit of Jari's > plenary slides. > > Your only complaint is about the first work item. I have seen people > asking about clarifications on that work item, but you are the only one > who wants it removed. I believe others are in favor of providing a > document of the high-level models being targeted for the solutions work. > You don't seem to understand my points. Anyway, it is better for me to stop this discussion. Regards, Behcet > At this point, the WG chairs need to determine if there is consensus for > the latest charter text. > > Regards, > Brian >
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