Re: [dns-dir] Draft requesting reservation of special-use domain names

[Ralph Droms <[e-mail]>]

On Dec 2, 2013, at 6:09 PM 12/2/13, Brian Haberman <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Just to level set...
> 
> On 12/2/13 2:46 PM, Ralph Droms wrote:
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:45 AM 11/28/13, Patrik Fältström
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 nov 2013, at 10:46, Olaf Kolkman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 28 nov. 2013, at 01:57, Ralph Droms <[e-mail]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Is there some reason to think those names might be delegated
>>>>> from the root?  My understanding is that the review process for
>>>>> name delegation would identify such names as "not to be
>>>>> delegated" if there is significant use now, otherwise, they are
>>>>> safe to delegate.
>>>> 
>>>> At this moment .corp and .home are ‘on-hold’ (indefinitely?).
>>>> 
>>>> There is also an SSAC recommendation to have some of these
>>>> strings permanently reserved, and SSAC is looking towards the
>>>> IETF (correct Patrik?)
>>> 
>>> A few details here:
>>> 
>>> 1. SSAC do not say exactly what strings are "high risk". .HOME and
>>> .CORP can be viewed as "easy", but what about ".MAIL" etc?
>> 
>> OK.  Presumably SSAC has data on which it has based its
>> classification of the various strings?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. SSAC do say that "not delegate" is not enough, we do believe
>>> some strings should explicitly be for "private use". Which matches
>>> quite well what 6762 says.
>> 
>> OK.
>>> 
>>> 3. SSAC could have directly pointed at the Appendix G, if it was
>>> clear that that was normative, and so could ICANN. But what I heard
>>> from at least one person cc:ed is that that is _not_ normative.
>>> 
>>> Question: Can IESG/IAB make a decision on the appendix "due to
>>> widespread use, misunderstanding and unclear situations etc etc we
>>> do believe those strings should not be allocated as TLDs"?
> 
> Normally, an appendix is not normative unless it explicitly states that
> it is so or contains a critical component of the RFC.  I think the use
> of an appendix in this case is confusing and unwarranted.

By "use of an appendix", do you mean citing the appendix as support for marking the strings in the list as "do not delegate"?
> 
> The INT ADs can take an action item to address this issue as a part of
> the special-use domain name question.

Is there more to the "special-use domain name question" than that list of strings?
> 
> 
>> 
>> I think it would be better to generate a list based on the data from
>> SSAC.  The list in Appendix G could be used, but I don't know if the
>> evidence supporting the strings on that list is sufficient to mark
>> them as "special use".
>> 
> 
> I would be very interested in seeing a list from SSAC.

Is the data from Interisle publicly available?

> 
>>> 
>>> Can IESG/IAB even say yes/no to such a question without an appeal?
>> 
>> I don't think an appeal would be needed.
>>> 
>>> Is an I-D and RFC needed that clarifies status of Appendix G?
>> 
>> An RFC is probably the right vehicle to make the designation.  That
>> RFC doesn't need to be restricted to just the list in Appendix G.
>> 
> 
> Correct, but that RFC may want to be tied to 6762 in some way (e.g.,
> Updates).

Why would it update the RFC 6762?  Appendix G is non-normative.  Perhaps a note clarifying that Appendix 6762 is, indeed, non-normative and only advisory?

> 
>>> 
>>> I.e. I think some IETF action is needed. Having ICANN do "too much"
>>> instead of referring to IETF -- specifically if we go down the path
>>> of "defining some strings to be TLDs for private use" -- would be
>>> dangerous.
>>> 
>>> I think personally IETF is the body that should say not only what
>>> subset of IP address space RIRs can allocate things out of but also
>>> what subset of the available bitstring space ICANN can use. Which
>>> IETF has done with "hostname" definition (cough, cough,...) and
>>> IDN2008.
>>> 
>>> So, $10.000 question: What is the path forward for "allocation of
>>> some strings for private use"?
>>> 
>>> Do IETF need a formal question from ICANN? Would that really help?
>> 
>> Would it be useful to have a teleconf with the appropriate people
>> from ICANN towork through the details?  I don't fully understand what
>> ICANN is trying to achieve.
> 
> Ted is in the process of discussing with the IAB how to liaise with
> ICANN on this issue.

OK.

- Ralph

> 
> Regards,
> Brian
> 
> 
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