From nobody Mon Apr 19 13:51:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E1E3A439A for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-GVIsznu_nv for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppa2.lax.icann.org (ppa2.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 886B03A439F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org (out.mail.icann.org [64.78.33.5]) by ppa2.lax.icann.org (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with ESMTPS id 13JKpFaT008327 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:51:15 GMT Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org (10.226.41.128) by MBX112-W2-CO-2.pexch112.icann.org (10.226.41.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.858.5; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:51:14 -0700 Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org ([10.226.41.128]) by MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org ([10.226.41.128]) with mapi id 15.02.0858.010; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:51:14 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: Brian Haberman CC: "dns-privacy@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [dns-privacy] [Ext] A Few More Suggestions for the Requirements Draft Thread-Index: AQHXNUEIPk7oZNeZikKdbXN4SesgGKq8lGCAgAABwICAAC4agIAAAhUA Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <064c169412764689a3129b8e162806ac@verisign.com> <1BE0F181-68A1-464A-9D7D-824181F4A69B@icann.org> <6db404b2-7367-8400-6830-c5ef5b77532a@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <6db404b2-7367-8400-6830-c5ef5b77532a@innovationslab.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] x-source-routing-agent: Processed Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_446BF743-8508-4EE6-AA27-BD5CE0703FFD"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.761 definitions=2021-04-19_11:2021-04-19, 2021-04-19 signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] A Few More Suggestions for the Requirements Draft X-BeenThere: dns-privacy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:51:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_446BF743-8508-4EE6-AA27-BD5CE0703FFD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 19, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Brian Haberman = wrote: >=20 > The goal of the referenced work item is to ensure that the WG > participants agree on the requirements. Great, but then we're back to the question of what are "requirements", = particularly because the current draft has moved away from that. > Having that be done in a draft > is far cleaner than relying on various people's recollections of > discussions. Fully agree, if we can agree what the base is. > If everyone goes back to the minutes of our session during IETF 110, > Benno explicitly told the WG that he is happy to work on a revision > *with WG input*. I view Scott's messages to the ML as being an attempt > to provide such feedback to the draft authors on what he sees as = useful > changes to the draft. Scott's suggestions should be discussed to see > what suggestions have consensus. That feels premature, given that we don't actually know what the = document is supposed to be about. --Paul Hoffman= --Apple-Mail=_446BF743-8508-4EE6-AA27-BD5CE0703FFD Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCBrYw ggayMIIFmqADAgECAhMwAAAV3RBqFEZex8dMAAMAABXdMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMF8xEzARBgoJ kiaJk/IsZAEZFgNvcmcxFTATBgoJkiaJk/IsZAEZFgVpY2FubjESMBAGCgmSJomT8ixkARkWAmRz MR0wGwYDVQQDExRhZDEtbGF4LmRzLmljYW5uLm9yZzAeFw0yMDA5MTkxODA3MTlaFw0yMjA5MTkx ODA3MTlaMIGUMRMwEQYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYDb3JnMRUwEwYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYFaWNhbm4xEjAQ BgoJkiaJk/IsZAEZFgJkczEUMBIGA1UECxMLSUNBTk4tVXNlcnMxFTATBgNVBAMTDFBhdWwgSG9m Zm1hbjElMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYWcGF1bC5ob2ZmbWFuQGljYW5uLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMyCemeYYZjhFjqol6d0KFelzUOUxRgoLxxuCY67ssb2elDgD8Vu 0O5fqMb5GwKWGZknC9uG3l3Of8pnfMlHpeFpLz9abvV/esea+JDxt+RgZLZRvJtZ/lVV86BZnjAO kKtLboRpfXTAobOllRTMcDaRksynf2FiF8VPB9vIsAxNT6/p8P3X84zAkBUX9BI1p9Pf/+ksRkau c40q/N7AuAVYAQlOwnN2QG+64T6ofP6kr3DanHuYg2C/5G3RXX58azNgSYnopJ0AiFY9e4M7iVxm Ll5wgmBGtVoLdjFe9HnCk5EdqKk5CE1ll7akYuvMNUqK1ingA5IjAvRZc9hD818CAwEAAaOCAy8w ggMrMB0GA1UdDgQWBBSh5qyXEQo8kO1LLYUKzpRiMxIHMzAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBTpKerCBbuXyks/ cnl6+luCS7lqhDCB2QYDVR0fBIHRMIHOMIHLoIHIoIHFhoHCbGRhcDovLy9DTj1hZDEtbGF4LmRz LmljYW5uLm9yZygxKSxDTj1hZDEtbGF4LENOPUNEUCxDTj1QdWJsaWMlMjBLZXklMjBTZXJ2aWNl cyxDTj1TZXJ2aWNlcyxDTj1Db25maWd1cmF0aW9uLERDPWRzLERDPWljYW5uLERDPW9yZz9jZXJ0 aWZpY2F0ZVJldm9jYXRpb25MaXN0P2Jhc2U/b2JqZWN0Q2xhc3M9Y1JMRGlzdHJpYnV0aW9uUG9p bnQwgcoGCCsGAQUFBwEBBIG9MIG6MIG3BggrBgEFBQcwAoaBqmxkYXA6Ly8vQ049YWQxLWxheC5k cy5pY2Fubi5vcmcsQ049QUlBLENOPVB1YmxpYyUyMEtleSUyMFNlcnZpY2VzLENOPVNlcnZpY2Vz LENOPUNvbmZpZ3VyYXRpb24sREM9ZHMsREM9aWNhbm4sREM9b3JnP2NBQ2VydGlmaWNhdGU/YmFz ZT9vYmplY3RDbGFzcz1jZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uQXV0aG9yaXR5MA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIFoDA9Bgkr BgEEAYI3FQcEMDAuBiYrBgEEAYI3FQiBurJNhMjIaoOtkz+HlPRag/mIbk6H68s/hoOYWgIBZAIB BzApBgNVHSUEIjAgBgorBgEEAYI3CgMEBggrBgEFBQcDBAYIKwYBBQUHAwIwNQYJKwYBBAGCNxUK BCgwJjAMBgorBgEEAYI3CgMEMAoGCCsGAQUFBwMEMAoGCCsGAQUFBwMCMEkGA1UdEQRCMECgJgYK KwYBBAGCNxQCA6AYDBZwYXVsLmhvZmZtYW5AaWNhbm4ub3JngRZwYXVsLmhvZmZtYW5AaWNhbm4u b3JnMEQGCSqGSIb3DQEJDwQ3MDUwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMEAgIAgDAHBgUr DgMCBzAKBggqhkiG9w0DBzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFAAOCAQEATidKimzbAoiiUW1wn7PWGyvBra29 qfQFUkoiN910zUtEigII3eYlf6lgokLPem1VGMAbRDJaDZNDy/1piuJFxtH2qLqqM1KL0jhLD62I 1JlpoUSSVCs0I0c+WoMafG1+TxDHvKOJ+88uR5EE61qoeHBe5pCIeQYzPyEbcJRIqavNj6DKg5Nm AwkwZwCSPGwb7WlKwxnf3X+Zx2emG+AB6k+q+jZA3obglwR5NFov1CeOuW5qQNzB9FIzbZGDjNsJ SwY0ygGnYItvhxb+if9I4NnuZGy41dwwDql40ZGmJg1yUV8niDpUxFUdAdXdeCoVoTPAK7ZDUS8y bo/Iyo/aEzGCAyAwggMcAgEBMHYwXzETMBEGCgmSJomT8ixkARkWA29yZzEVMBMGCgmSJomT8ixk ARkWBWljYW5uMRIwEAYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYCZHMxHTAbBgNVBAMTFGFkMS1sYXguZHMuaWNhbm4u b3JnAhMwAAAV3RBqFEZex8dMAAMAABXdMA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIIBezAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMTA0MTkyMDUxMTRaMC8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEi BCD2kJJ/Nbx2GTg6VX8EJ0+zPvGrGFlBUNa6gTIUKXoXhTCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBfMRMw EQYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYDb3JnMRUwEwYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYFaWNhbm4xEjAQBgoJkiaJk/IsZAEZ FgJkczEdMBsGA1UEAxMUYWQxLWxheC5kcy5pY2Fubi5vcmcCEzAAABXdEGoURl7Hx0wAAwAAFd0w gYcGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBfMRMwEQYKCZImiZPyLGQBGRYDb3JnMRUwEwYKCZImiZPyLGQB GRYFaWNhbm4xEjAQBgoJkiaJk/IsZAEZFgJkczEdMBsGA1UEAxMUYWQxLWxheC5kcy5pY2Fubi5v cmcCEzAAABXdEGoURl7Hx0wAAwAAFd0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAEggEAfDV8iu0aIm+pC/A6pPjL UPgc6tayW+gBcnB/YLVxPP6/3Jz2ue57yzzcxbQuzPsdJCRhS1GpJMkuS1zJex+D2Jc7zYH0FQzi jGFd1ci5Z9q92Ga8Pyinpl4Fm65SfdIMulVKefPrj/Na8qUwQTyL/EfIAR+CttRC0G/+iLixe6og 0vFI6L559XWeUyayRlDV7jFjk/MQf7XxfyFxkkFItTW2yLwp3XXx+yTPv5gtWcoGE6DLeDA8BdyO FMX8Rzq4VOdLRFlomYLIrzz92t0OVfPQn/PdmVMTKa5BlRzOCHpphGa6ag/sWwWgnopdsBaaGNEu EpBPmhqA5ZDa3DXFdAAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail=_446BF743-8508-4EE6-AA27-BD5CE0703FFD--