Re: [dns-privacy] WG Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-dprive-oblivious-doh

Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> Thu, 18 March 2021 12:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] WG Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-dprive-oblivious-doh
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On 17. 03. 21 14:00, Brian Haberman wrote:
> All,
>      This starts a DPRIVE WG call for adoption for
> draft-pauly-dprive-oblivious-doh
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pauly-dprive-oblivious-doh/).
> Please reply to the mailing list with your views (positive or negative)
> on the WG adopting the document and your supporting arguments.
>      This call will end on March 31, 2021 at 11:59pm UTC.


I also oppose adoption because of what Petr Špaček and Tomáš Křížek said.

Ondrej
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> On 18. 3. 2021, at 12:18, Petr Špaček <pspacek@isc.org> wrote:
> 
> I oppose adoption.
> 
> In my opinion value of publishing DoH-specific version of approximately-but-not-quite-Oblivious-HTTP is questionable and borders with waste of WGs time and engineering resources (after the document is published).
> 
> DoH RFC 8484 already says how to map DNS to HTTP, so I think we should reuse generic Oblivious HTTP and build on top of that, _not_ invent the wheel again just for DoH.

> On 18. 3. 2021, at 13:02, Tomas Krizek <tomas.krizek@nic.cz> wrote:
> 
> I oppose adoption.
> 
> The draft introduces huge amount of additional complexity, both for
> implementors and operators of DoH. This raises the bar for both smaller
> vendors and operators, thus leading to more centralization.
> 
> Additionally, the problem it attempts to solve is not DoH-specific, or
> even DNS-specific, yet it only provides a solution for DoH.