Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] Fwd: New draft-ietf-dprive-unauth-to-authoritative and draft-pp-dprive-common-features

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 26 May 2021 01:44 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:43:21 -0700
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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] Fwd: New draft-ietf-dprive-unauth-to-authoritative and draft-pp-dprive-common-features
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 5:17 PM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:

> On May 25, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
> > The fundamental question here is whether we want to build a mechanism
> for authenticated ADoX or not
>
> It might be better to think of this as "whether we want to build a
> mechanism for fully-authenticated ADoX now, but if not now, allow for it to
> be done easily in the future". Others on the list have already said that
> they are interested in unauthenticated as a stepping stone to later going
> to full authentication.
>
> The purpose of the proposed -common-features draft is to make such
> fully-authenticated mechanism(s) easily definable regardless of when the WG
> wants to do so.
>

I understand your motivation, but I think in this case it is misguided. The
controversial parts of fully authenticated are precisely the signaling
mechanisms in draft-rescorla-dprive-adox that you are attempting to pull
out here. If those are acceptable, then authenticated is comparatively easy.

-Ekr


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