[dns-privacy] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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(1) Picking up on a Gen-ART review comment: Section 5.1.7 seems to be aimed at
entities other than the operators of DNS privacy services. That is, the
"impact" seems like it is on third-party entities, but then the "optimization"
talks about DNS privacy service operators using "alternative means for traffic
monitoring." I guess what I don't understand is why the DNS privacy service
operators need alternative means, since they still have access to the cleartext.

(2) I think Section 6 needs to clarify that it is providing suggestions only on
matters relating to the technical operation of DNS privacy services that may be
described in DROP policies, and not on any other matters. There are numerous
other matters that are typically addressed in privacy statements (e.g., what
form of legal process the operator requires to supply data to law enforcement,
how the operator handles data about children, etc.). This document should not
give the impression that the listed items in the subsections are an exhaustive
list, nor should it attempt to offer an exhaustive list.

(3) I do not think item #5 in Section 6.1.2 belongs in this document. I don't
see how it is within scope for the IETF to be specifying these sorts of best


Section 1:

"This document does not, however,
      define a particular Privacy statement, nor does it seek to provide
      legal advice or recommendations as to the contents."

This is not accurate. The document does make recommendations about the contents.

Section 3: "the privacy of the DNS" strikes me as a bit of an odd term as the
DNS itself doesn't have privacy needs. Perhaps this means the privacy
properties of the DNS.

Section 5.2.3: I think the table and its associated text belongs in Appendix B.
It is not BCP material itself and is not readily understandable without the
rest of the text in Appendix B anyway.

Section 5.2.4: "Resolvers _might_ receive client identifiers e.g.  MAC
addresses in EDNS(0) options - some Customer-premises equipment (CPE) devices
are known to add them." It would be great to add a citation there if one exists.

Section 5.3.3:

"Operators should not provide identifiable data to third-parties
   without explicit consent from clients (we take the stance here that
   simply using the resolution service itself does not constitute

I'm not convinced its appropriate for this document to be commenting on what
constitutes consent.

I also think that as a general matter the research in this area demonstrates
that privacy-by-consent is broken and that the number of cases in which an
individual providing consent for identifiable data sharing actually reads,
understands, and agrees with the terms of the sharing is miniscule.

It seems like the real best current practice mitigation here is to not share
identifiable data.

Section 6.1.1: "Make an explicit statement that IP addresses are treated as
PII." PII is a bit of a jurisdiction-specific term. I would recommend using the
definition of personal data from RFC 6973.

Section 6.2: This section should be an appendix.

Section A.2: I don't understand why the reference to Section 8 of RFC 8484
isn't just in the bulleted list with all the other documents, and why there is
a generic note included with it when the specific privacy implications are more
completely discussed in the referenced section of RFC 8484 (just like with the
other documents in the list).