Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path?
Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz> Wed, 26 January 2011 16:06 UTC
Return-Path: <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz>
X-Original-To: dnsext@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsext@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4AE3A67AD for <dnsext@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:06:11 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.243
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.243 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.356, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RnaFlRlqopbJ for <dnsext@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:06:10 -0800 (PST)
Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1A23A67A8 for <dnsext@ietf.org>; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:06:10 -0800 (PST)
Received: from Work-Laptop-2.local (gatt.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.6]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0QG94xb066646; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz)
Received: from [192.168.128.111] by Work-Laptop-2.local (PGP Universal service); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:09:10 -0500
X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Work-Laptop-2.local on Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:09:10 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <a06240803c965f4797805@[192.168.128.111]>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.1101260958490.30991@newtla.xelerance.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.1101251250040.30991@newtla.xelerance.com> <4D3F233C.7000900@vpnc.org> <alpine.LFD.1.10.1101251510140.30991@newtla.xelerance.com> <alpine.LSU.2.00.1101261442120.3329@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> <AANLkTinCB-d2HWGY4kSOmfSCMNQ-D61keEE+1poTu11g@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.LFD.1.10.1101260958490.30991@newtla.xelerance.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:07:05 -0500
To: dnsext@ietf.org
From: Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4
Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz
Subject: Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path?
X-BeenThere: dnsext@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: DNS Extensions working group discussion list <dnsext.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext>, <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsext>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsext@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext>, <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:06:11 -0000
At 10:06 -0500 1/26/11, Paul Wouters wrote: >This means with ONE original trusted key, the device can climb up to the >current root key in a trusted way. Adding X.509/CA chains solves nothing >and adds more complications. I've been opposed to DNSEXT developing a solution to this problem from the start. Now, here's yet another reason. As much as it would appear that adding a X.509/CA-derived mechanism would redundantly add to the already existing DNS mechanisms ad DNS admin would have, adding a DNS-based update mechanism would add to the exiting SysAdmin mechanisms a Systems admin would have. Reading through this thread adds even more to the reasons why I think this topic is a non-starter. At first was that this proposal effectively extends the key effectivity period of the zone keys beyond the DNS need for it. Now I see the impracticality of having remote machines having to navigate a variety of network security obstacles (such as firewalls) to phone home for security data. I'm not encouraged. More over, when it comes to something as sensitive to security, I'd rather have the configuration done on the in-office desk (or in a staging area within our own data center, etc.) of an admin than in remote rackspace, with or without remote hands involved. This is a general rule, I am not running an operations/security team. Once on the desk, normal sysadmin tools and techniques apply. (We have had our share of customs issues shipping equipment we built locally and then deployed remotely. That's another issue.) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis NeuStar You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468 With a week old newborn at home, I've discovered that the only difference between him and me is that I have to go to work daily. That's not fair! Ma!
- [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Stephan Lagerholm
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Edward Lewis
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Thierry Moreau
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Edward Lewis
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Alex Nicoll
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Stephan Lagerholm
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Florian Weimer
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Matthew Dempsky
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Florian Weimer
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Florian Weimer
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Vixie
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Vixie
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? David Conrad
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Florian Weimer
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Thierry Moreau
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? W.C.A. Wijngaards
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Ted Lemon
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] historal root keys for upgrade path? Florian Weimer