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Re: [dnsext] enough is enough

Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Mon, 22 December 2014 05:55 UTC

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From: Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
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Subject: Re: [dnsext] enough is enough
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> On 22 dec 2014, at 05:06, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge no one has attempted to get nameservers upgraded
> by sending email to delegated server operators.

Maybe because one do not know who these name server operators are. And in the cases one do (like in some ccTLDs), that has other drawbacks.

> Sending email to TLD operators does have a effect.

Well, well...

> Whether that can be replicated the next level down we need to see.

Some TLD registries have tried to contact DNS operators, some contact the registrant, some contact the registrar.

> Additionally classic lameness will come back over time as it is a configuration issue.

And my point was only that enough registries do have a policy that REQUIRE lame delegations to be able to just register a domain name (i.e. one can not register without delegating at the same time). Crazy!

But as you say, this is a configuration issue, and not a software issue.

   Patrik

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