Re: [dnsext] we need help to make names the same, was draft-yao-dnsext-identical-resolution-02 comment

Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Thu, 24 February 2011 13:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] we need help to make names the same, was draft-yao-dnsext-identical-resolution-02 comment
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On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> >
> > Why would I need a time machine? You still don't have anyone actually
> using
> > DNSSEC for production?
>
> Speak for yourself. We're using it in cam.ac.uk and so are our friends at
> ic.ac.uk. Large amounts of cz is signed.


Generating signatures is one thing.

You don't have a deployment until you have people verifying the signatures
and the results affect their behavior.



> > That would be a totally bizarre response to a requirement that is
> nonsense.
>
> Why is data origin authentication of dynamic replies nonsense?


I was referring to the original requirement driving this proposal, making
'names resolve the same'.


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