Re: [dnsext] we need help to make names the same, was draft-yao-dnsext-identical-resolution-02 comment

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 17 February 2011 23:17 UTC

Return-Path: <marka@isc.org>
X-Original-To: dnsext@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsext@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABBB3A6CEC for <dnsext@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:17:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.579
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A7ELBEPfZjn5 for <dnsext@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:17:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::2b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7A43A6CC3 for <dnsext@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:17:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bikeshed.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 553A2C9429; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org)
Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:ea06:88ff:fef3:4f9c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1973216C1E; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org)
Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCF3A49096; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:17:20 +1100 (EST)
To: mayer@gis.net
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
References: <20110216032120.43474.qmail@joyce.lan><alpine.LSU.2.00.1102161143180.5244@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> <20110216212930.57D64A3F344@drugs.dv.isc.org><4D5D24F3.70206@gis.net>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:38:59 CDT." <4D5D24F3.70206@gis.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:17:20 +1100
Message-Id: <20110217231720.1FCF3A49096@drugs.dv.isc.org>
Cc: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>, dnsext@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [dnsext] we need help to make names the same, was draft-yao-dnsext-identical-resolution-02 comment
X-BeenThere: dnsext@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: DNS Extensions working group discussion list <dnsext.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext>, <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsext>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsext@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext>, <mailto:dnsext-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:17:04 -0000

In message <4D5D24F3.70206@gis.net>, Danny Mayer writes:
> Even if there were I'm not convinced that it would be useful since there
> is no way on the RHS to specify the path. It can give you a name, a
> port, a weight and a priority but no path. There was a proposal for a
> URL RR but I cannot find it right now and I don't think the wg is
> considering it, at least it's not on the document list.
> 
> Danny

Which can be dealt with entirely at the HTTP/S layer.

People are using CNAME for 

	site -> hosting server

this include "www.example.net CNAME example.net".
 
We need to support 

	site alias -> site { -> hosting server }

		 CNAME    NEW-TYPE

Additionally people are too lazy to add records for each virtual
service in the DNS so they use "* CNAME server" which makes using
SRV hard as it requires prepended labels.

To prevent breaking existing clients that use CNAME like NEW-TYPE
client would look for NEW-TYPE and only re-write the URL there is
a CNAME and a NEW-TYPE returned.

The CNAME would be replace by NEW-TYPE + addresses records to
help with the transition.

This is very much like the introduction of MX records.  At
some point you stop putting in address records.

Mark
-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: marka@isc.org