Re: [dnsext] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-vandergaast-edns-client-ip-00.txt

Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> Mon, 01 February 2010 16:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-vandergaast-edns-client-ip-00.txt
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On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:51 AM, John Payne wrote:

> 
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Roy Arends wrote:
> 
>> Webserver now knows the clients IP address (10.0.0.2), issues a redirect toB8AAAQ.localized.google.com 
> 
> For whatever reasons... that does not fly in the real world.   
> It's hard enough getting content providers[1] used to a redirect from http://example.com/ to http://www.example.com/

Additionally, in many contexts, such redirects may not be applicable:

a)  Not everything is HTTP or HTTPS and supports such clean redirections.

b)  Exporting user-visible URLs like that is ugly.  (we do it on Netalyzr for transparency & debugging, but its ugly)

c)  HTTPs is very fussy on names in many cases.