Re: [dnsext] list-meta: moderation (was: Fwd: djb on NXDOMAIN/NODATA for non-terminals)

Phillip Hallam-Baker <> Tue, 29 March 2011 10:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] list-meta: moderation (was: Fwd: djb on NXDOMAIN/NODATA for non-terminals)
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Could this be a result of Bernstein's use of the most obonxious[*] mail
confirmation loop tool on the planet?

[*] OK I mistyped it, but I prefer the new word, consider it defined by the
context in which it is used.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andrew Sullivan <> wrote:

> This is a meta notice about list moderation, for the record.  I
> normally wouldn't bother, but I want to make sure that nobody is under
> the mistaken impression that we are suppressing legitimate comment.
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 03:23:49PM -0700, Colm MacCárthaigh wrote:
> > Forwarding due to relevancy ...
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: D. J. Bernstein <>
> > Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fixing the NXDOMAIN/NODATA bug in tinydns
> > To:
> > Here's a more detailed message that I tried to send to namedroppers (the
> > IETF dnsext mailing list) on this topic a month ago. I say "tried"
> > because this message didn't show up on the mailing list even after I
> > sent it to the list, sent it again to the "moderator", and sent it once
> > again to the list.
> I do have, still in my INBOX in fact, a message from Dr Bernstein
> about his message not getting posted.  I also have my response, saying
> "please send me the message if you're unable to get it posted", along
> with a lot of detail of what the mailing list software is, where it is
> located and by whom it is operated, what I found when I tried to find
> his message, and so on.  I called attention specifically to the fact
> that namedroppers was no longer the WG's mailing list and that mail to
> the old address seemed to drop from the face of the earth.  I asked
> him whether he had mail logs that showed his message was in fact
> accepted for delivery, because I was unable to find his message
> anywhere.
> What I do not have is the original message that Dr Bernstein refers to
> in his comments.  As far as I can tell, I never received that.
> Now, it would not completely surprise me to learn that I had somehow
> managed to delete not once, but three times, the same text that came
> to me via three different channels.  But I would be at least mildly
> surprised.
> If Dr Bernstein has further difficulties, I invite him (again) to
> contact me, Olafur, or both of us.  We are the moderators (or, I
> guess, "moderators") of the list.  The address for the current chairs
> (whoever they may be, as long as there's a WG) is
> If Dr Bernstein believes he was ill treated by me (I take full
> responsibility -- Olafur was not involved in the conversation to my
> knowledge), I regret it, and would like to know what he wishes I would
> do to make this less difficult for him.
> Best regards,
> A
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