Re: [dnsext] the DNS Directorate and the end of dnsext

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On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 01:08:20AM +0000, Jim Reid wrote:
> 
> I think you're being over-dramatic. 

	as may be... 

> >	absent a WG, what are the rules for becoming a member of the  
> >directorate and 	how is a member removed for cause?
> 
> Oh. You believe the IETF is a democracy with bureacucratic procedures.  
> I see. :-) I do agree that you have a valid point in how DNS  
> directorate members are chosen and retired. This still has nothing to  
> do with the winding up of dnsext IMO.

	actually, it kind of does - the directorate came into existance to 
	support dnsext - absent dnsext, there is no good reason to keep
	an private, non-transparent group around making policy choices
	(Ralph indicated they would be taking on this role...)

> 
> >	If you are comfortable w/ the IESG and the ADs making
> >	DNS protocol choices on yur behalf, then that is your perogative.
> 
> I didn't say that and I very much doubt our friends in the DNS  
> directorate see their role like that either. Though since there's no  
> reports on what they do/say, how could someone from the outside know?

	we wouldn't and there is no way to find out.  pretty much the 
	definition of a cenusre board, star chamber, or kangaroo court.

	completely unaccuntable.
	
> >	I for one, am not and would like the ability to have/conviene
> >	a WG to solve DNS issues -BY THE COMMUNITY- and not by a closed,
> >	opaque body that is not accountable to that community.
> 
> +1. I would expect that if the DNS Directorate was confronted with  
> something that looked like a protocol change, they'd do The Right  
> Thing. ie Get the Powers That Be to create and charter a new WG.

	really?  do you want to test that?  why couldnt the community
	do it?  like they have for the past 25 years.  

> >	I have the answer on who,  we don't have answers on succession
> >	or accountablity
> 
> By all means continue to bang that drum Bill. But please don't confuse  
> that with the demise of dnsext.

	as long as they are tied together - then they will get mentioned 
	together.