Re: [dnsext] Re: Privacy vs EDNS Client IP...

Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> Wed, 03 February 2010 15:11 UTC

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On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote:
>> you may think it's silly that most examples of "how could this violate my
>> privacy" are of illegal activities which the internet ought probably not
>> support in any case.  substitute the jailing of a dissident if you wish.
> 
> I wish you guys would have a consistent stance on privacy.  Apparently
> letting sniffing attackers see your DNS traffic is of no concern, but
> letting the authoritative server see it is terrifying.

They don't actually care about privacy, at least real privacy.  (if you care about privacy, you flip out about google public DNS)

Rather, they don't like the idea of CDN tricks, and things which would make these tricks continue to work in the face of third party resolvers are to be opposed, so come up with any opposition possible.

Paul Vixie in particular is a zealot on DNS issues.  EG, Bind does't do 0x20, which is proven safe, and still is pretty damn acceptable on accepting AND PROMOTING glue records.