Re: [dnsext] Progress on moving the mailing list

Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Sat, 02 October 2010 05:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dnsext] Progress on moving the mailing list
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>
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I think we need an alias because otherwise there is going to have to be an
exception coded into various tools scripts.

The alternative may well turn out to be that DNSEXT does not get informed
when it probably should be. People from outside DNSEXT will try to send mail
and it will bounce. It is quite possible that something important will
bounce and not get resent.


On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org> wrote:

> > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:06:18 -0400
> > From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@shinkuro.com>
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 03:43:37AM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote:
> > > i feel strongly.  it's always been namedroppers.  before there was an
> > > ietf in its current, there was a namedroppers mailing list.  if ietf
> > > doesn't want to run the namedroppers mailing list (by that name) others
> > > should so offer.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to have a namedroppers@ietf.org alias, or is it
> > necessary to create the list under the name namedroppers@ietf.org and
> > have an alias from dnsext@ietf.org?
>
> it's my preference that it be called by its eternal name ("namedroppers@
> "),
> and that no new name (such as "dnsext@") be created, and so, no aliases.
>
> > If the latter, does anyone want to address Bill Manning's point that,
> > given that namedroppers has not always been the address for _this working
> > group's_ mailing list, reusing that list name for this WG might be
> > confusing?
>
> dnsind and dnsext have always used "namedroppers@".  i think bill's point
> was that "namedroppers@" predates these working groups and indeed was once
> used ("@sri-nic.arpa") to discuss non-DNS naming systems.  i'm uncompelled
> by this argument.  when the internet community has discussed naming at the
> protocol level, they've always called the forum "namedroppers@", and i
> sort
> of like it like that.  but, i fibbed before.  i feel moderately about it,
> not strongly.
>
>


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