Re: [dnsext] the DNS Directorate and the end of dnsext

[Jim Reid <[e-mail]>]

On 4 Dec 2011, at 23:25, [e-mail] wrote:
> 	perhaps.  if a directorate exists without a foundational
> 	wg to support it

What, just like pretty much all the other IETF directorates: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate.html?

Could dnsop serve as your "foundational wg"? If not, why not?

> 	what you end up with is an effective censure board
> 	that rules on proposed changes to the DNS, absent broad input
> 	from the community.

I think you're being over-dramatic. The role of the DNS Directorate is  
very clear. At least it is once you find its home page: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/dns.html 
.  :-) It's a bit of a stretch to claim dnsdir constitutes an  
"effective censure board that rules on proposed changes to the DNS".

> 	absent a WG, what are the rules for becoming a member of the  
> directorate and 	how is a member removed for cause?

Oh. You believe the IETF is a democracy with bureacucratic procedures.  
I see. :-) I do agree that you have a valid point in how DNS  
directorate members are chosen and retired. This still has nothing to  
do with the winding up of dnsext IMO.

> 	If you are comfortable w/ the IESG and the ADs making
> 	DNS protocol choices on yur behalf, then that is your perogative.

I didn't say that and I very much doubt our friends in the DNS  
directorate see their role like that either. Though since there's no  
reports on what they do/say, how could someone from the outside know?

> 	I for one, am not and would like the ability to have/conviene
> 	a WG to solve DNS issues -BY THE COMMUNITY- and not by a closed,
> 	opaque body that is not accountable to that community.

+1. I would expect that if the DNS Directorate was confronted with  
something that looked like a protocol change, they'd do The Right  
Thing. ie Get the Powers That Be to create and charter a new WG.

> 	I have the answer on who,  we don't have answers on succession
> 	or accountablity

By all means continue to bang that drum Bill. But please don't confuse  
that with the demise of dnsext.