Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0817C129411 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fi3DMpEGKYDS for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A676612948F for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id r68so6353549wmr.1 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q3YQQ+UQEIyXbvbHCkLM/EVUorwEJB+CETGmvCD3COI=; b=Lh54nlm/Iclv+tU8c1Yx7Epl4+zN9ss1j7ll0VlkhgPwvJh1g+XnMK3P75z0TgLaPD uQomOwWMivv3BDLASk9VR4z/3tWPFkCJ9+5602JzMFx78Z26U2kt+XF7dpAX+ND2N06C 5VVNfuzKxth6LUOEFCewebTxnNGQ5cfCRRdMKRBhpW9pykkZpCX7iqTfmra/o+rjhRID Iv9jDfPUAXxT9n9huTcQNH9iNwbRPEGtEGhH7ukscpN1EDlxyHvnhWes6xCSU5E+dUzz dSrseTj7rTiSrjn0BsmHfNq8KhrQduI7aNHUu4JoAcgUaZhzUcg0SeGXysGGucQrzmlh ilWQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q3YQQ+UQEIyXbvbHCkLM/EVUorwEJB+CETGmvCD3COI=; b=JBvsstdNHPbZGRc6yenLf/iYOgXcyTdlnojFETThi+MunzEAs1KoVZUTbYvi1Uy9Qo SZHCInvM88rp284hf4eGUJ6GOIGyUs+zrrxqHiBubk3uAuedci+K6TUSdlPplVahaKGc wrysER9ToovB0KPQTUI1Tbg7AnkzvGkGWVlZdIu9nE6rqX2UNcupkdcIT3/KL0cB5Ndq QdJfIgv1Jgd4Lsgwi9e0nv5TYyCewM5fWETOgCnAMCkuJed5xrhThL6FZPSjKo8hRYgd QrQBWxOS3NGP3lKBvcMm5utEeYghNo8a9N5NrZrBAh9L2Z6Hk8ZaXT0VnIfI+a94kaon v8PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6joM6o5dLlr/k3tmpAKJ+JoFNF2v6hX+p01XgQB9Px0L1h0URX ziHbUEcY9E0w3+Wj6zSWhZlfmvEbR7DtL4q1WqI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYZS0cP2IGEeucZPlz7XKUm141R2w7gMQhJ8b1EO3NI+UgO10ptob90yfQM9wErEG4+8je+cUBnG9KvrFpDNNQ= X-Received: by 10.28.73.196 with SMTP id w187mr1899128wma.17.1510384267255; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.196.169 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:11:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <809562de-bbde-4548-a701-fe7fbfef6b5e@Spark> References: <20171110121600.GA2749@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20171110142508.GA4062@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <809562de-bbde-4548-a701-fe7fbfef6b5e@Spark> From: tjw ietf Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:11:06 +0800 Message-ID: To: David Conrad Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer , Paul Wouters , dnsop Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b3092b9655a055dafbd6e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Agenda for IETF100 X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 07:11:11 -0000 --001a114b3092b9655a055dafbd6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great question Paul and thanks for getting that on record. On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 2:59 AM, David Conrad wrote: > Can confirm, as can anyone willing to go to an Adobe Connect archive. For > the curious: > > https://participate.icann.org/p6u03rimy92/?launcher=3Dfalse& > fcsContent=3Dtrue&pbMode=3Dnormal > > The discussion on Ethereum by Leonard Tan, an Ethereum developer, starts > at 00:31:00. Paul=E2=80=99s question is at 00:42:16. From the transcript: > > >> PAUL: PAUL, IETF. LET'S SAY IETF GETS THE DOMAINS IETF IN THIS NAMIN= G > SYSTEM AND WE PAY OUR FEES FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. EVERYBODY USES THE > SITE. AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE FORGET TO PAY AND THE DOMAIN FALLS BACK > INTO THE POOL AND SOMEBODY ELSE REGISTERS IT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY > ARE OR WHO THEY ARE. NOW I GO TO A COURT SYSTEM. I GET SOME LEGAL OPINI= ON > SAYING I OWN THIS TRADEMARK AND NOW I WANT TO GET THIS DOMAIN BACK. IS > THERE ANY WAY FOR ME TO GET THIS DOMAIN BACK? > >>LEONARD TAN: SO RIGHT NOW, THE ENS INDUSTRY, YOU CAN CHANGE IT BECAUSE > IT REQUIRES FOUR OUT OF SEVEN PEOPLE. MOST OF THEM ARE ETHEREUM > DEVELOPERS. AND IT IS A CONSENSUS OF THEM TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. SO IT IS > POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO. > > Regards, > -drc > > On Nov 10, 2017, 10:47 PM +0800, Paul Wouters , wrote: > > The ENS developer said so in response to my question. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:55, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +0530, > Paul Wouters wrote > a message of 29 lines which said: > > It takes 4 out of 7 geeks to bypass the blockchain in case of > emergency, court orders or kneecaps. > > According to the presentation held at ICANN60 > > > Well, if someone at ICANN said so, someone is wrong (or, at the > minimum, over-simplificator). > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > --001a114b3092b9655a055dafbd6e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great question Paul and thanks for getting that on record.= =C2=A0

On Sa= t, Nov 11, 2017 at 2:59 AM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
Can confirm, as can anyone willing to go to an Adobe Connect archive. = For the curious:


The discussion on Ethereum by Leonard Tan, an Ethereum developer, star= ts at 00:31:00. Paul=E2=80=99s question is at 00:42:16. From the transcript= :

>> PAUL: =C2=A0PAUL, IETF.=C2=A0 LET'S SAY IETF GETS THE DOM= AINS IETF IN THIS NAMING SYSTEM AND WE PAY OUR FEES FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.= =C2=A0 EVERYBODY USES THE SITE.=C2=A0 AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE FORGET TO P= AY AND THE DOMAIN FALLS BACK INTO THE POOL AND SOMEBODY ELSE REGISTERS IT A= ND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE OR WHO THEY ARE.=C2=A0 NOW I GO TO A CO= URT SYSTEM.=C2=A0 I GET SOME LEGAL OPINION SAYING I OWN THIS TRADEMARK AND = NOW I WANT TO GET THIS DOMAIN BACK.=C2=A0 IS THERE ANY WAY FOR ME TO GET TH= IS DOMAIN BACK?
>>LEONARD TAN: =C2=A0SO RIGHT NOW, THE ENS INDUSTRY, YOU CAN CHA= NGE IT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES FOUR OUT OF SEVEN PEOPLE.=C2=A0 MOST OF THEM ARE= ETHEREUM DEVELOPERS.=C2=A0 AND IT IS A CONSENSUS OF THEM TO MAKE ANY CHANG= ES.=C2=A0 SO IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT THING T= O DO.

Regards,
-drc

On Nov 10, 2017, 10:47 PM +0800, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, wrote:
The ENS developer said so in response to my questi= on.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:55, Stephane Bortzmeyer <= ;bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +0530,
Paul Wouters <paul@n= ohats.ca> wrote
a message of 29 lines which said:

It takes 4 out of 7 geeks to bypass the blockchain= in case of
emergency, court orders or kneecaps.

According to the presentation held at ICANN60

Well, if someone at ICANN said so, someone is wrong (or, at the
minimum, over-simplificator).

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