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Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-04.txt

Ólafur Guðmundsson <olafur@cloudflare.com> Mon, 13 February 2017 18:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-04.txt
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Richard Gibson <rgibson@dyn.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Robert Edmonds <edmonds@mycre.ws> wrote:
>
>> You think this would actually provide any sort of useful information? No
>> operator would understand what "MBZ: 0xNNNN" means without re-training,
>> and if you're re-training operators you may as well point them to this
>> document.
>
>
> I think it would be _very_ useful. People easily forget new information,
> but seeing unexpected data like that would provide the necessary trigger
> for remembering this document and e.g. retrying with +tcp.
>

Richard,

HINIFO is such a signal :-)
thus your request applies only to Send-one and Send-useful responses.
I do not think adding complexity will help at all.

 ... you want an overhead cost forever just because of "muscle memory"
learning curve for few people.

Olafur

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