Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Fri, 31 August 2018 19:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)
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That all looks fine, thanks!

Ben.

> On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>> §2"
>> - Definition of "Domain Name": I don't profess to be a naming expert, but this
>> definition doesn't seem very satisfying.
> 
> It was unsatisfying to everyone, but deemed better than the nothing that we had before this. It would be grand if someone (more likely the IAB than the IESG) pulled together a work team to answer "what is a name, really, when you think hard about it?" Domain names would be a subset of this (if there was a usable answer).
> 
>> It potentially defines things that I
>> wouldn't consider domain names.
> 
> We tried to prevent that, but we wanted to keep to defining "domain names" without prejudice of DNS names.
> 
>> Is there no representation, intent, or other
>> context that distinguishes an ordered list of labels that is a domain name from
>> your garden variety ordered lists of labels? (or is the point of this that they
>> cannot be distinguished?)
> 
> The latter.
> 
>> - Definition of IDN: 'The current standard, normally called "IDNA2008"...'
>> That may not age well. I suggest  something to the effect of "The current
>> standard at the time of this writing, ..."
> 
> Good point, will add.
> 
> --Paul Hoffman