Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-algorithm-update-01.txt
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> Thu, 07 June 2018 15:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-algorithm-update-01.txt
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Oh, looking at the text just before the table it says: <t> Implemenation recommendations for DNSKEY algorithms <xref target="DNSKEY-IANA"/>. </t> I am open to suggestions go to improve this text to emphasize that it is implementation advice, but apart from typo :), I think it does says “Implementation”... Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý ondrej@isc.org > On 7 Jun 2018, at 17:28, Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> wrote: > >> On 7 Jun 2018, at 08:39, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:02:07PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> >>> Could I ask for more reviews, so we can progress this document forward? >>> >> >> A couple of quick comments: >> >> 1. Perhaps it might not be clear to all readers whether the >> table in Section 3.1 is *software* implementation advice or >> operational deployment advice? >> >> Seeing that Ed25519 is RECOMMENDED for signing makes me think that >> this software implementation advice, since signing zones with >> Ed25519 seems presently premature. > > It is definitely *software* implementors advice. Good point! > >> 2. I see that RSA-SHA512 (algorithm 10) is not recommended for >> signing, and indeed it is not very widely deployed. Out of >> ~7.6 million signed domains I see ~72k with algorithm 10 ZSKs >> and KSKs, while algorithm 8 is used by ~3.6 million domains in >> KSKs and ZSKs (a ratio of 50:1 for alg 8 : alg 10). >> >> And yet, while it is not popular I don't see that any validators >> supporting RSA and SHA256 are at all likely not to support RSA >> and SHA512. And furthermore, on 64-bit systems SHA512 tends >> to be somewhat faster (more with larger input sizes), because >> it processes input in 64-bit blocks. On my x86_64 laptop, >> running OpenSSL 1.1.1 beta 'speed -evp', gives: >> >> type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes 16384 bytes >> sha256 39497.53k 114122.11k 266197.16k 395693.40k 461698.39k 469658.28k >> sha512 30863.64k 122424.60k 278926.37k 495961.09k 643754.67k 654338.73k >> >> So I am not sure that algorithm 10 warrants discouragement so >> long as 8 is required. Everyone is going to have both, and >> they're basically the same... While the case *for* 10 is not >> strong, the case against 10 looks somewhat weak (does supporting >> 10 for signing carry a real cost?) > > This particular author believes that the DNSSEC should move to ECC, > so there’s a high cost associated with KSK algorithm rollover. So, if people > are going to change to “stronger” (whatever this means in DNSSEC context) > algorithm they should be strongly encouraged to change the algorithm > to ECDSA256 (for now). > > Thanks for the review! > Ondrej > -- > Ondřej Surý > ondrej@isc.org
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Viktor Dukhovni
- [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-i… Ondřej Surý