Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Fri, 10 February 2017 09:15 UTC

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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.
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On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 04:40:23PM -0800,
 Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 78 lines which said:

> If you really care about privacy, IMHO, the place to instantiate the
> private namespace, is under one of the heavily used AS112 zones.
[...]
> even if a leak
> occurs, it will be hiding among the sheer volume of crap.
> Plus, having the AS112 decentralization applied, means any incidental
> leakage is going to be nearly impossible to find.

This was proposed in draft-bortzmeyer-dname-root. But read its
Security considerations section: not everyone agrees that leaking to
AS112 is harmless.