Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

Suzanne Woolf <suzworldwide@gmail.com> Mon, 10 September 2018 22:22 UTC

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From: Suzanne Woolf <suzworldwide@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft
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Hi,

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>; wrote:
> 
> Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> ...
>> 
>> I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to
>> be made to work properly, at least at Internet scale.
> 
> this thread has further cemented my prejudice against CLASS. however, it has also motivated me to define it well enough that we can create a global "CHAOS" system, with very different zone cuts, which seems like an idea bad enough to be good.

Note that RFC 6895 ("Domain Name System (DNS) IANA Considerations”), Section 3.2, has some observations about CLASS as well. 

> 
> for the terminology-bis draft, is it enough to use andrew's words above?

I think this discussion demonstrates that it would be controversial to attempt to go beyond the original proposed wording, and we can’t really do something controversial at this stage unless we’re willing to re-open the approval process for the document (pull it back to the WG, then re-run IETF LC).  I’m not inclined to do that.

Warren, anything to add?



Suzanne