Re: [DNSOP] on private use TLDS

Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> Fri, 29 November 2019 01:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] on private use TLDS
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On 11/28/19 5:15 PM, John R Levine wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> I don't see how relying on ISO's advice is poaching.  They say:
>>
>> You, like Ted, are ignoring the fact that ISO can choose to change 
>> those rules.
> 
> The user assigned codes are part of the published ISO 3166 standard.  If 
> that's not stable enough, neither is any ccTLD.  What if they decided to 
> swap .US and .SU?  Jaap assured us they're not going to change, and he 
> should know.

I don't doubt Jaap. What I doubt is that any organization as political 
as ISO (or ICANN) will hold preferences stable in the absence of a 
controlling policy.

>> Ok, so if you think there is a risk here, then it should be mitigated 
>> by working together with ICANN ...
> 
> The politics about this at ICANN are hopeless.  There are still six 
> applications for corp, home, and mail who would object loudly if ICANN 
> said they were permanently unavailable and who torpedoed Lyman Chapin's 
> proposal to add them to the 6761 list.  Fighting that is not a good use 
> of anyone's time.

Given the time that's passed this landscape may have changed. But if it 
has not for CORP, HOME, and MAIL; why not open the discussion about 
whatever strings we decide are useful instead?

Doug