Re: [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

"Winfield, Alister" <Alister.Winfield@sky.uk> Fri, 22 March 2019 08:48 UTC

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From: "Winfield, Alister" <Alister.Winfield@sky.uk>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>, DoH WG <doh@ietf.org>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>
Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator
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I have to say it but almost certainly Ill stop using any software that choses at any point to silently choose what I mean by the word privacy. (using a large scale American provider fior doh example). This is simple you allow choice but that choice MUST be both visible and explicit on what the choice means in terms of how it affects privacy. No lies and half truths and no defaults changing the risks I know about.

Note, I guarantee certain US organisations are loving the idea that large percentages of worldwide DNS might go to a small number of American companies. Those companies will be receiving little letters and they WILL be forced to silently comply.

Oh and in the general case did anyone weigh up total privacy. That is does this decrease security by removing visibility of bad things such that the likelihood of data breaches and thus privacy invasion is in total far worse than it was before creating the DoH protocol?

Alister


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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator



On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:53 AM Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:


> Il 22 marzo 2019 alle 4.40 Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net<mailto:huitema@huitema.net>> ha scritto:
>
> Much of the debate is on the second point. One position is that users should be forced to trust the DNS resolver provided by the local infrastructure. Another position is that users have the right to apply their own policy and decide which server they will trust, based on some configuration.

I think this is a mischaracterization of the debate, which actually started because of a third position that you don't mention: Mozilla's public statement that in the future they will force (or, at least, make as a default - clarification requests haven't solved the doubt yet) Firefox users to use a remote resolver chosen within a shortlist that they will manage.

I'm not sure where you have attempted to clarify this point (I think we've been clear on this point at
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https/<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhacks.mozilla.org%2F2018%2F05%2Fa-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https%2F&data=02%7C01%7Calister.winfield%40sky.uk%7C7e9a280a7ea649d80ec408d6aea15daf%7C68b865d5cf184b2b82a4a4eddb9c5237%7C0%7C0%7C636888405417671655&sdata=it0Fg12iOaBUyYOhwn2KxeUx76UgZhytVtGS%2BmuwXHM%3D&reserved=0>;)

Regardless of what the default is, users will be able to disable DoH.

-Ekr




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