Return-Path: <ondrej@isc.org>
X-Original-To: dnsop@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: dnsop@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E302E6A2FF
	for <dnsop@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.399
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5
	tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1,
	DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3,
	RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001,
	RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001]
	autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key)
	header.d=isc.org header.b="GM9qYU8F"; dkim=pass (1024-bit key)
	header.d=isc.org header.b="BdbvPR7a"
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31])
	by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
	with ESMTP id 9KzmoiooZXBq for <dnsop@mail2.ietf.org>;
	Tue, 18 Mar 2025 23:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [149.20.2.50])
	(using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
	 key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256)
	(No client certificate requested)
	by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC0DE6A2EB
	for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 23:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from zimbrang.isc.org (zimbrang.isc.org [149.20.2.31])
	(using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
	 key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest
 SHA256)
	(Client did not present a certificate)
	by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B71B3AB337;
	Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 mx.pao1.isc.org 4B71B3AB337
Authentication-Results: mx.pao1.isc.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=149.20.2.31
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=isc.org; s=ostpay; t=1742364463; cv=none;
 b=iYTmK6bQEF4VCLjCpH7pOiGnYazxCscVihKWDFxxgL4GI1N5kR5abOYZmwG9GXy79XfJXvzEzEfcnIqbq5RD0ff/ZOTDNmddhHJPCTbKA7V8EisCxZacDYIoAjrtsWjTWySpCvlUllDp2EGUusr4xNdhW//LUj+faNDxXKxfyHc=
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=isc.org; s=ostpay; t=1742364463;
	c=relaxed/relaxed; bh=cNerrtQH1bjl9Y+vdbtx89meb0tBz2Bg6G+2C9GsO+k=;
	h=DKIM-Signature:DKIM-Signature:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:
	 Message-Id:To;
 b=Uyg5bzkgc2hBs4WClVL0Ij6asxsmwPjt+tfmRETeSxx/cth5J6ZnUhAEu/vHigOzyDP5yI/7o5Q3+iVy9l/0kW/cfKxWpQAvHDJ8DFejgo3S1dN8sdDS9bB8Wz0TTyZJuNn75ZOss2EMB0WozSvRuk798h21cS5/Lj0EwUH/zDE=
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.pao1.isc.org
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mx.pao1.isc.org 4B71B3AB337
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=isc.org; s=ostpay;
	t=1742364463; bh=bBudk/0aHuaDjmCa24oI8UE6qACx+PyEIulTEtfX3T4=;
	h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To;
	b=GM9qYU8FlTvMoWnadj4VMVC/yQmCu0IQBQlv/Sp4+i1yX6/YQqS7vVshzNXG/rbBX
	 ggs6kI/dhb7s9ckjmSXyVxrxk8TYf7UFKYNpXSN2h0FcO5GkQ/6MzH1Ym6guPTG3Pb
	 zHKIsL90MdBZT6Hx625fPStAJVFGShM3OMzpCbnc=
Received: from zimbrang.isc.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by zimbrang.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A64114C221;
	Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by zimbrang.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF28114C265;
	Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 zimbrang.isc.org 1CF28114C265
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isc.org;
	s=05DFB016-56A2-11EB-AEC0-15368D323330; t=1742364463;
	bh=cNerrtQH1bjl9Y+vdbtx89meb0tBz2Bg6G+2C9GsO+k=;
	h=Mime-Version:From:Date:Message-Id:To;
	b=BdbvPR7a5s6SOGuaao1BnSeKchK7WcEJweB4AC/4KgtdwLfKDVEtgtUTuva/1hOhz
	 NH3Xo3u0WYs4Qh4mPQCx638Vn2ZL2IIlG6SGPQx5mNHxCLsTbc2fLWuz6x23vyCl+4
	 aBeGZo2b7/EwyYc3HJX+pj0C0AnobNmMhb/HyJ2s=
Received: from zimbrang.isc.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (zimbrang.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP
 id 9T370-VwS19l; Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [49.228.84.154])
	by zimbrang.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38257114C221;
	Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:07:42 +0000 (UTC)
Content-Type: multipart/signed;
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_130BF330-87D0-49B2-8519-46CE2D6A0161";
	protocol="application/pgp-signature";
	micalg=pgp-sha512
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.400.131.1.6\))
From: =?utf-8?B?T25kxZllaiBTdXLDvQ==?= <ondrej@isc.org>
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAHPuVdVgZgKMXFNpiwY5T8gwbPV1ui2Rmbfn9vqOP6BvwBOVXw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:07:22 +0700
Message-Id: <D4E045DB-AB33-4D6D-85E7-5DFC47EEB6B4@isc.org>
References: 
 <CADyWQ+GHwYS3T=M+7655Ps5f-mJ7H3FfstDGvHsR_D=eHXf43g@mail.gmail.com>
 <SA1PR15MB43705D3DBC37FB92F3BA5714B3DF2@SA1PR15MB4370.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <551bb4a8-f787-4caf-8615-c284203d7b7e@nic.cz>
 <CAHPuVdWwFGKE7QRHXP1Ru9geQdV+VY4-Z-AYgkhac7dQuB9cZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <6fa27e23-ec6d-4989-8068-aafb4925d1dd@nic.cz>
 <CAHPuVdUy1s9gaQyJ=GiqdxAPZwUc2-4HvQBCb77c-Zh5feAjvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <C5ABE18F-AB8B-4654-BF93-D660D4240446@fl1ger.de>
 <2a6088fb-3275-464d-bca1-92a4cbaa78aa@nlnetlabs.nl>
 <2b862da9-e428-47f3-9ecc-c55a4e589bac@desec.io>
 <a23915b8-3a28-417c-a709-ef3123c4a74d@nlnetlabs.nl>
 <bc9d2dba-9a9c-4fe5-a484-ace272836007@desec.io>
 <94da4d77-2904-43ba-9bcd-27e22e6a4604@nlnetlabs.nl>
 <88915437-56F7-4393-A1D5-CF95661ACAE6@isc.org>
 <c7ccfdde-04fa-454e-84db-b1a9565c7dc9@nlnetlabs.nl>
 <CAHPuVdVgZgKMXFNpiwY5T8gwbPV1ui2Rmbfn9vqOP6BvwBOVXw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.400.131.1.6)
Message-ID-Hash: QOG27QTLX6V3VTG3BC4OKQY7TKRKTVAU
X-Message-ID-Hash: QOG27QTLX6V3VTG3BC4OKQY7TKRKTVAU
X-MailFrom: ondrej@isc.org
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency;
 loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-dnsop.ietf.org-0;
 nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size;
 news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BDNSOP=5D_Re=3A_fujiwara-dnsop-resolver-update?=
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
Archived-At: 
 <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/2O2nzB96FCvg_ar8Wk3WuM9CUzU>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:dnsop-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:dnsop-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:dnsop-leave@ietf.org>


--Apple-Mail=_130BF330-87D0-49B2-8519-46CE2D6A0161
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8


> On 19. 3. 2025, at 5:42, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I encourage you to resurrect the competing =
fujiwara-dnsop-resolver-update and get that published (which I will also =
support).

Let me see. Perhaps, I can resurrect this draft with Fujiwara-san as we =
are probably going to internally do the separation
between delegations and answers in development version of BIND 9.

Perhaps the fujiwara-dnsop-resolver-update draft should not update RFC =
1034 Section 5.3.3, but rather provide
an alternative solution. I guess that would make it more likely to be =
adopted.

Cheers,
Ondrej
--
Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD (He/Him)
ondrej@isc.org

My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not =
feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.


--Apple-Mail=_130BF330-87D0-49B2-8519-46CE2D6A0161
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename=signature.asc
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature;
	name=signature.asc
Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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=dOlk
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--Apple-Mail=_130BF330-87D0-49B2-8519-46CE2D6A0161--

