Re: [DNSOP] summary of WG current status

Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Fri, 21 February 2014 20:07 UTC

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WOW! This could be a week of meetings...

I guess it is not time to fold yet... :-P

   Patrik

On 2014-02-21 18:17, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> As we look towards the meeting in London, we have several items in
> progress, which we've organized here from the most specific and
> administratively simple tasks to the broadest discussion topics.
> 
> Not everything called out here is on the London agenda, but we’ve tried
> to round up everything that’s in progress as work for the WG, formally
> or (in a few cases) informally. We expect to send this out periodically,
> not least so people have a chance to call us on it if we drop stuff.
> 
> thanks,
> Your Chairs
> 
> 
> From our existing charter:
> 
> 1. RESPSIZE draft
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize/)
>     This item has been in our charter for a very long time, and was at
> one time considered almost ready for publication but stalled there.
> There's been recent interest in dusting it off and getting it shipped,
> and with the help of the previous authors and a new volunteer, a new
> version has been published. It’s been suggested  we might want to add
> some more material on DNSSEC and EDNS0, since the previous version only
> dealt extensively with the impact on referral size of adding AAAA
> records and the bulk of the document was written before the root was
> signed or ICANN's registry contracts were written to require DNSSEC for
> new gTLDs.
> 
> Agenda in London: flag open items, get reviewers, get a timeline for
> finishing
> 
> 
> 2. PRIMING draft
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-priming/)
>     We’ve also got a new rev of this draft so we can resolve the open
> questions and get this published also.  
> 
> Agenda in London: flag open items, get reviewers, get a timeline for
> finishing
> 
> 3. AS112 operations:
>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-dname/(WG item)
>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jabley-dnsop-rfc6304bis/(new)
> 
>     Some additional “bits and pieces” re: AS112 operations. We need
> reviewers to move forward with the DNAME one, and for 6304bis if we want
> to adopt it.
> 
>     Agenda in London: determine momentum for getting these reviewed,
> revised, and published. If not they will be dropped.
> 
> 4. CDS and related: what are we doing about the topic of DNSSEC in-band
> key maintenance? This has previously been somewhat contentious and seems
> to have stalled without resolution. We now have current versions of two
> drafts and would like to make progress on resolving differences.
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-delegation-trust-maintainance/
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-child-syncronization/
> 
> 5. 100.64.0.0/10 to reserved list
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andrews-dnsop-rfc6598-rfc6303/
> Stalled in WGLC on an administrative issue of overlapping IANA
> registries. Chairs will review discussion and propose a way forward
> soon; no WG action required
> 
> 
> NEW TOPICS:
> Passive DNS data format:
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dulaunoy-kaplan-passive-dns-cof/:
> needs review, call for adoption
> Authority server placement: no i-d yet; agenda time requested, needs review
> 
> FOR DISCUSSION, including possible charter revision:
> 
> 1. Privacy drafts
>     There are *at least* four i-ds and a BOF in London specifically for
> discussion of privacy and confidentiality with regards to the protocol
> and operations of DNS:
> 
>         Stephane Bortzmeyer's problem statement draft
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bortzmeyer-dnsop-dns-privacy/) is
> reasonably on-charter for us.
>         Stephane's solutions
> drafthttp://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bortzmeyer-dnsop-privacy-sol/)
>         Peter Koch's draft on information leakage in the DNS
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-koch-perpass-dns-confidentiality/)
>         Wouter Wijngaards' draft on opportunistic encryption in the DNS
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijngaards-dnsop-confidentialdns/)
> (plus a few other documents)
> 
> We need to decide what we think a useful contribution on this broad
> topic would be for DNSOP. Stephane's problem statement draft seems
> in-scope and we'd like to call for adoption. Protocol changes as
> described in two of the drafts probably need a new WG. In between, this
> topic provides an opportunity for us to consider reasonable updates to
> our charter given evident demand from the community to examine DNS in
> light of current privacy concerns. 
> ** This is a major item for the agenda in London; please come prepared
> to discuss **
> 
> 2. Special names
>     There are two current drafts requesting additions to the Special Use
> Names registry as per RFC
> 6761,http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names/andhttp://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds/.
> The process described in RFC 6761 calls for "IESG action," and the IESG
> has asked for DNSOP input, including that we consider adopting these
> drafts as WG items. We have already had some discussion on these drafts,
> and the current process, based on RFC 6761, makes whether to add these
> names to the registry the IESG’s decision. We will continue to discuss
> these drafts on the mailing list and provide our advice/observations to
> the IESG.
> 
>     There is some interest separately in the broader architectural
> concerns around “what should we do with requests/needs for namespaces
> that look like DNS names, but aren’t?” As it looks like these uses of
> DNS-like namespaces by non-DNS protocols will continue to evolve, and
> the RFC 6761 process already seems problematic, we need to consider
> whether there’s work to be done in fine-tuning the IETF’s response to
> these requests from protocol developers who are trying to do the right
> thing, don’t want to simply appropriate namespaces a priori, but are not
> actually trying to do DNS protocol or operations and simply want to
> avoid incompatibility.
>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld/
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ogud-appsawg-multiple-namespaces/
> 
> 
> DNSEXT discussions
> - tcp keep-alives
> - tcp query-chaining
> - DNS cookies
> - TLS for DNS
> 
> DNS Cookies & TLS for DNS
> 
> Donald Eastlake has generated a new version of the DNS Cookies draft,
> which incorporated many comments.  Several other contributors have also
> written a new draft on the use of TLS for DNS over TCP. While these are
> out of scope, we feel with the privacy and confidentiality work
> swirling,  there seems to be room to at least have the discussion.
> 
> 
> New charter
> 
> DNSOP has been around for awhile, without a recent charter revision even
> as topics including privacy, root zone expansion, and changes in the
> operational environment have become increasingly important. Our Esteemed
> AD has been very open with us pulling things in for discussion,
> especially if there are operational impacts from such things.  We're
> working on a new charter that would include a couple of specific items
> the WG has already adopted or considered, and a shift in scope to allow
> DNSOP to provide a home for problem statements related to DNS in much
> the way v6ops does for the IPv6-related groups and issues. Your
> suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> ** This is a major item for the agenda in London; please come prepared
> to discuss **
> 
> 
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