Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> wrote:
> I’ve been reading this whole discussion with great interest over the past while and do intend on joining today’s call.  In the midst of all of this I think two points from Andrew and Ed have been helpful to my thinking:
>
>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that making new reservations solely on _policy_ grounds
>> is overstepping our role, because we actually gave that management
>> function away to someone else many years ago.  But if there are
>> additional protocol-shift registrations, it would be appropriate to do
>> that.
>
> I’m not sure I’m 100% on board with Andrew’s use of the term “protocol-shift” to explain the difference, but I do agree with his statement that reservations should not be made based *solely* on policy grounds and that there needs to be some true protocol-based reason for the reservation.
>
> Even better, I like Ed’s distinction:
>
>> On May 9, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> The problem (the topic of discussion here) I see is that there are class
>> of strings that are intended to not be active in the DNS and further more,
>> the DNS isn't even meant to be consulted.
>
>
> This to me is the key point.  Reserving names like .ONION makes sense to me because there is existing Internet infrastructure that is widely deployed and uses that TLD-like-name in its operation…. but has no expectation that the name would be active in DNS.   Were such a TLD ever to be delegated in DNS, it could conceivably *break* these existing services and applications.   Those are the kind of names that make sense to be reserved.
>
> I do realize that there is a challenge with determining when something is “widely deployed” enough to merit this consideration.  Just because I may have some service I created that uses a pseudo-TLD of “.YYY”[1] probably doesn’t really rise to the level if only I and 5 other friends use it.  What number makes sense?  I don’t know because as others have commented such numbers can be easy to game with automated scripts, bots, etc.

... and this is some of the point of the .ALT pseudo-TLD -- if you
want to use a "TLD" that does not get resolved in the DNS, make your
namespace look like YYY.ALT. This *will* leak into the DNS, but should
be "dropped" (NXD) at the first resolver (helping with privacy and
general pollution issues). Now, if 5 people or 5,000,000 people use
it, it doesn't matter -- it never needs to be made a special use name,
because it isn't really in the DNS name space.

> My 2 cents,
> Dan  (as an individual, not as any statement from ISOC)
>
> [1] I was going to use “.FOO” here but of course someone (Google, in this case, maybe at Warren’s request!)

Good gods no. Them's fighting words. Take that back....

:-P
W

> did actually register .FOO through the newgTLD process.

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