Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> Sun, 22 March 2015 18:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards
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* Olafur Gudmundsson:

>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
>> 
>> we need a document that says "If you don't want to answer ANY,
>> here's how to do it interoperably." we don't need to say "you
>> should not answer ANY", but we do need to say "if you want to query
>> for ANY, here's what might happen." that, sir, is a killing. we are
>> killing ANY. there's no pretense.
>
> This is exactly what my goal is tell the upstream the type ANY will
> not be answered.

Upstream?

Is reducing the number of ANY queries an immediate goal of yours?
(Discounting any indirect effect that useless ANY answers will
have on future application changes.)