[DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> Fri, 02 May 2025 18:26 UTC
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On May 2, 2025, at 11:03, Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > My personal unsupported assumption is that the number > > of devices in the "we use the cache but don't believe what it says" camp is > > small enough not to matter. > > I expect you're right today, but there are definitely some folks in DNSOP who are trying to change that. Great! Please start a draft. A major problem that has caused this thread is that there is disagreement about what a "validating stub resolver" operates, particularly with respect to configuration. > If one wants validating stubs to be common in the future, it would seem important not to add more stumbling blocks today. Saying that .internal being like every other TLD that already does not exist today "adds a stumbling block" is absurd. Names that don't exist don't exist. --Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Loganaden Velvindron
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Manu Bretelle
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karim Attoumani Mohamed
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… tojens.ietf
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Kim Davies
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Dave Lawrence
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPCall for Adoption: draft-davies-… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Kevin P. Fleming
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Brian Dickson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon