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Hi Paul, all,

I'm starting a new thread so as not to interfere with the WG recharter 
discussion.

On 01/06/2025 19:55, Paul Wouters wrote:
 > On Jun 1, 2025, at 12:54, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
 >>
 >> ﻿
 >>
 >>> Until that happens, dnsop will pretty much be the only place at the
 >>> IETF for doing maintenance, updates and extensions to the DNS
 >>> protocol. [Apart from deleg of course.]
 >
 > Good thing you said “pretty much”, as early experiments and discussions
 > about multi-qtypes in dnsop are now apparently standardized by dnssd.
 >

The draft for multi-qtypes has a long history, Ray can tell more about 
this.  During its course, there were competing or overlapping drafts of 
the idea, and the WG discussions did not result in one or more drafts 
being adopted as a WG document.

In 2023, there was interest in the multi-qtype draft from the DNSSD WG, 
as they were considering a solution with QDCOUNT=2, which conflicted 
with the DNSOP document QDCOUNT=1.  Tim, our DNSOP co-chair, sent an 
email to the mailing list to inform the DNSOP WG that DNSSD was 
considering adopting multi-qtype as a WG document, see 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/lvSuoh_WaHeZSuZPkhX8dPwaz-8/.

The chairs of the DNSSD and DNSOP WGs will keep both WGs informed of the 
progress of the document and ensure that it is also discussed in the 
DNSOP working group (mailing list) before a WGLC is issued in the DNSSD 
working group.

Best,

-- Benno



