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Re: [DNSOP] Going forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-use

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 02 November 2020 20:21 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Going forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-use
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In article <alpine.LRH.2.23.451.2011021215330.2672107@bofh.nohats.ca> you write:
>On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, Roy Arends wrote:
>
>> As for version -01, the authors propose to separate the document into two:
>>
>> (1) A document that discusses the motivation for private space top level domains, provides recommendations for people
>setting them up, etc.
>
>The IETF / DNSOP should not recommend setting up private space TLDs by
>instructing people how to do this.

The counterargument is that people have been using private TLDs for
many decades, our advice not to do so is widely ignored, and we might
be able to offer some advice on how minimize interop problems for
people who do so.

R's,
John

PS: I don't think any of us like NAT, but I also think we have seen
that pretending that it would go away if we ignored it didn't work.

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