Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]
Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Wed, 04 December 2013 19:40 UTC
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On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:14 PM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote: > Stephane, > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:44 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote: >> It seems a criticism of RFC 6761, not of the current registration proposal. > > Yes and no. Yes, I think 6761 is broken in parts (somehow I missed discussion of the draft), however the issue I'm worried about is the proliferation of the pseudo-domains and the confusion/noise I'm worried they'll cause. > >>> Ignoring that, other than aesthetics, what is the downside of >>> <p2p>.alt or <p2p>.not-dns or <p2p>.arpa again? >> >> My main concern will be that it won't be easier or faster to get a >> <p2p>.arpa and we'll see exactly the same discussions. > > On the plus side, I suspect there would be less of an assumption that <p2p>.arpa is a regular domain name. > > On the minus side, management of .ARPA is a part of the IANA functions contract which implies changes will require US DoC NTIA approval, so I'd agree that there is a potential for delays and ... non-technical discussion. > > But how about .alt or .not-dns (or as has been suggested .p2p)? I really like .alt -- it makes it clear that this is an alternate namespace type thing, mirrors the usenet alt convention, etc. .p2p seems less descriptive, and not all alternate things are peer to peer. Whatever the case, .<new label> could be delegated to AS112 -- if you don't have the special source that uses the alternate namespace this will at least cut down on the excess "junk" queries hitting the root. W > > Regards, > -drc > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop -- Eagles soar but a weasel will never get sucked into a jet engine
- [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action: dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Marco Davids (SIDN)
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andreas Gustafsson
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Chris Thompson
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: Re: [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Eric Brunner-Williams (Maule)
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] DNAMEs in the root zone? [was: Re: draft-… Chris Thompson
- Re: [DNSOP] DNAMEs in the root zone? [was: Re: dr… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… ebw
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [internet-drafts@ietf.org: I-D Action… Suzanne Woolf