Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 02 February 2018 01:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-let-localhost-be-localhost-02
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On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
> I think that this is an example of attempting to
> do so: to make a name that already appears today in the DNS
> (localhost) go away.

Okay, but this simply isn't true.   I think you actually responded to the dig traces I sent earlier.   The root servers securely deny the existence of localhost.  Existing practice is that localhost does not appear in the DNS.   The fact that the RFCs currently differ from existing practice is a problem that the current document is trying to solve.