Re: [DNSOP] CDS/CDNSKEY Deployment

Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za> Fri, 14 January 2022 07:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] CDS/CDNSKEY Deployment
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Hi,

I run/manage the EDU.ZA zone and am a Registrar.
Both systems poll for CDS records.... if I'm not running the DNS for the 
domain (e.g. many of the Registrar domains). I have also given 
presentations on this at the ICANN DNSSEC & Security Workshop - which I 
also assist with.

I poll once a day in the small hours of the night. The systems work 
fine. Job done?

I am though curious as to what Statistics people gather (what people 
thing would be useful). I do have log files of events - so could pick up 
various stats over time?

EDU.ZA (a "restricted" zone) CDS/DNSSEC numbers are not big but the zone 
only has about 150 delegations.
Registrar numbers are better but I also offer DNSSEC "instant 
gratification" via a web interface - which my Registrants (& resellers) 
prefer - rather than waiting a few days for the CDS polling to believe 
what it finds.

The system has been great though at picking up Domains hosted with 
Cloudflare - who offer DNSSEC Signing of a domain with a click of a 
button. Not sure if there are other companies on the scale and 
functionality of Cloudflare?


On 1/14/22 9:00 AM, Moritz Müller wrote:
> I’ve supervised an undergraduate student last year, who looked a bit into CDS Deployment [1].
> Though he mostly analysed .ch data as well.
>
> Moritz
>
> [1] http://essay.utwente.nl/86832/1/van%20Beijnum_BA_EEMCS.pdf
>
>
>
>> On 13 Jan 2022, at 14:14, Daniel Stirnimann <daniel.stirnimann@switch.ch> wrote:
>>
>> I meant to say "For 2021 we processed".
>>
>> Still need to get used to typing the new year :-)
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 13.01.22 14:11, Daniel Stirnimann wrote:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> Some statistics for .ch/.li which are some of the few TLDs supporting
>>> CDS/CDNSKEY [1].
>>>
>>> For 2020 we processed:
>>>
>>> 189'206  BOOTSTRAP
>>> 518      DELETE
>>> 44'749   ROLLOVER
>>>
>>> Slide 3 [2] contains some more historical numbers. Context about the
>>> number of signed delegations in .ch [3].
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/oskar456/cds-updates/
>>> [2] https://68.schedule.icann.org/meetings/EqJCzT5N6kcZhh2TT
>>> [3] https://www.nic.ch/statistics/dnssec/
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13.01.22 04:12, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>>>> Hi folks
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have stats on the deployment of CDS and/or CDNSKEY? I see
>>>> that Chung et al. report very low deployment in 2017, but maybe things
>>>> have changed?
>>>>
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