[DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sha1
Philip Homburg <pch-dnsop-6@u-1.phicoh.com> Wed, 13 November 2024 16:03 UTC
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sha1
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>Tony Finch has correctly identified in SHA-1 chosen prefix collisions >and DNSSEC [3] article that when a single record is usually safe, >multiple records might allow creating fake signature even in DNSSEC. There are two types of attacks on hash functions: collisions and second pre-image attacks. There is no practical 2nd pre-image attack for SHA-1, so we can concentrate on collision attacks. A collision attack requires that the victim to accepts malcious data from an attacker There are many, proably even the majority of DNSSEC signed domains, where this is not an issue. Attackers cannot influence the contents of a zone. In those cases, using SHA-1 is secure. Obviously we need to move away from SHA-1 as fast as possible. But we do those domains a disservice if we treat them as insecure. In particular, DANE will stop working if a domain is considered insecure. We already see the operational impact. People with RedHat systems notice that DANE suddenly stops working. They have no clue where is coming from, they just see that unbound doesn't set the AD bit. The solution should be that RedHat provides a way to link with a different crypto library that does support RSASHA1.
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-r… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… jabley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sha1 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP]Re: [Ext] Re: Questions before adopting mu… Kim Davies
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Tim Wicinski
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík