[DNSOP] Priming query transport selection
Olafur Gudmundsson <ogud@ogud.com> Wed, 13 January 2010 18:19 UTC
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Draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-priming-02 says "2.1. Parameters of a Priming Query A priming query SHOULD use a QNAME of "." and a QTYPE of NS. The priming query MUST be sent over UDP (section 6.1.3.2 of [RFC1123]). The UDP source port SHOULD be randomly selected [RFC5452]. The RD bit MUST NOT be set. The resolver SHOULD also use EDNS0 [RFC2671] and announce and handle a reassembly size of at least 1024 octets [RFC3226]. [[Do we need a fallback strategy for EDNS unfriendly environments?]] " Going forward I think this is a bad recommendation. I would like to propose that the document take the plunge of recommending that modern DNSSEC capable resolvers perform the priming query over TCP. The benefit is that a single query can retrieve the signed root NS set and all the signed glue records. The alternative is that a resolver that really cares about DNSSEC will have to issue up to 27 UDP queries in order to get all the records that are related to the NS set. Background: 26 signed glue records will require about 5K answer if each RRSet is signed by a single 1024 bit RSA key. This will never fit into an ENDS0 answer as number of implementations have 4096 byte hard limit on answer size. As of today all the root servers instances that my host reached answered a TCP query. Proposed replacement text: A priming query MUST use a QNAME of "." and a QTYPE of NS, QCLASS of IN, with RD bit set to 0, the source port of the query should be randomly selected [RFC5452]. A DNSSEC aware resolver SHOULD sent the priming query over TCP. If TCP is refused a different server SHOULD be tried, after 3 tries the resolver SHOULD fall back on UDP. A DNSSEC ignorant but EDNS0 capable, resolver SHOULD issue the priming query over UDP, ENDS0 option MUST be included with buffer size of 1220 or larger. If the UDP query times out TCP SHOULD be tried. An EDNS0 ignorant resolver MUST issue the priming query over UDP. By making this change section 2.4 can be dropped, the one on not asking for signed answers. In section 2.2 the draft allows "pre-fetching" of the priming answer when 75% of TTL has passed. I think this should be higher more like 85%..95% or a fixed minimum time like 6 hours. IANA consideration section mentions TTL recommendations for the root zone, but does not make any, I think the document should document what the current values are and the group should pass a comment if it thinks the values are reasonable or can be improved. If the values are going to change based on signature life times when the root is signed then that should also be reflected in the document. Olafur
- [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alex Bligh
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alex Bligh
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alex Bligh
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alfred Hönes
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alex Bligh
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Alex Bligh
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Ray.Bellis
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- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Sebastian Castro
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Ray.Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Simon Leinen
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection George Barwood
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection George Barwood
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- Re: [DNSOP] signing glue and additional data George Barwood
- Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection Sebastian Castro
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- Re: [DNSOP] on what glue is (was: signing glue an… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Priming query transport … Danny Mayer
- Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Priming query transport … Alfred Hönes
- Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Priming query transport … Olafur Gudmundsson