Re: [DNSOP] ECDSA woes

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Sun, 16 October 2016 22:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] ECDSA woes
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In message <20161016223109.6856756C80DE@rock.dv.isc.org>, Mark Andrews writes:
> 
> In message <CAN6NTqxxNyiK75RF1E9FkCH3Cb8D5fqf6HkSwxtXK_GyxCQmNw@mail.gmail.com>, =?UTF-8?B?w5NsYWZ1ciBHdcOwbXVuZHNzb24=?= writes:
> > I will be happy to do that,  stay tuned as I need to create a special
> > signer for it :-)
> > 
> > Olafur
> 
> dnssec-signzone + awk + dnssec-dsfromkey works well.
> 
> e.g.
> awk '$4 == "RRSIG" && $6 == 8 { $6 = 99 }
>      $4 == "DNSKEY" && $7 == 8 { $7 = 99}
>      { print }'
> 
> Mark

Which by the way is what we do in our system tests for BIND 9.

#
# A zone with a unknown DNSKEY algorithm.
# Algorithm 7 is replaced by 100 in the zone and dsset.
#
zone=dnskey-unknown.example.
infile=dnskey-unknown.example.db.in
zonefile=dnskey-unknown.example.db

keyname=`$KEYGEN -q -r $RANDFILE -a NSEC3RSASHA1 -b 768 -n zone $zone`

cat $infile $keyname.key >$zonefile

$SIGNER -P -3 - -r $RANDFILE -o $zone -O full -f ${zonefile}.tmp $zonefile > /dev/null 2>&1

awk '$4 == "DNSKEY" { $7 = 100; print } $4 == "RRSIG" { $6 = 100; print } { print }' ${zonefile}.tmp > ${zonefile}.signed

$DSFROMKEY -A -f ${zonefile}.signed $zone > dsset-${zone}

> 
> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016, =C3=93lafur Gu=C3=B0mundsson wrote:
> > >
> > > I have domains signed by all combinations of signing algorithms and DS
> > >> digests as well as Nsec variants
> > >> Ds-n.alg-m-nsec.dnssec-test.org
> > >>
> > >> Replace n with 1..4
> > >> M with 1..14
> > >> Nsec is one of Nsec nsec3 none
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'd be veryinterested if you could create an algorithm called "99" (or
> > > something), and we could test that. Anyone not loading the "99" resource =
> > is
> > > violating the "SHOULD", even if they understand ECDSA.
> > >
> > > This would investigate ratio of problems when we want to introduce a new
> > > algorithm in the future.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
> > >
> > 
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> > <div dir=3D"ltr">I will be happy to do that, =C2=A0stay tuned as I need to =
> > create a special signer for it :-)=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Olafur</div><di=
> > v><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
> > >On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
> > <a href=3D"mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se" target=3D"_blank">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>&=
> > gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
> > 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sat=
> > , 15 Oct 2016, =C3=93lafur Gu=C3=B0mundsson wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
> > x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> > I have domains signed by all combinations of signing algorithms and DS<br>
> > digests as well as Nsec variants<br>
> > <a href=3D"http://Ds-n.alg-m-nsec.dnssec-test.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
> > t=3D"_blank">Ds-n.alg-m-nsec.dnssec-test.or<wbr>g</a><br>
> > <br>
> > Replace n with 1..4<br>
> > M with 1..14<br>
> > Nsec is one of Nsec nsec3 none<br>
> > </blockquote>
> > <br></span>
> > I&#39;d be veryinterested if you could create an algorithm called &quot;99&=
> > quot; (or something), and we could test that. Anyone not loading the &quot;=
> > 99&quot; resource is violating the &quot;SHOULD&quot;, even if they underst=
> > and ECDSA.<br>
> > <br>
> > This would investigate ratio of problems when we want to introduce a new al=
> > gorithm in the future.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
> > <br>
> > -- <br>
> > Mikael Abrahamsson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: <a href=3D"mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se" =
> > target=3D"_blank">swmike@swm.pp.se</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br></=
> > div>
> > 
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