Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-02.txt

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Tue, 06 November 2018 05:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-02.txt
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2018, Paul Vixie wrote:

> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-02.txt
> 
> because of deliberate reconfiguration or takedown, i'll hope that serve-stale 
> offers authority operators (both apex and parent) a signalling pattern that 
> says, "actually, i want this dead, NOW."

That sword cuts both ways. It would be useful to have a Human Rights
section in the document that discusses this issue.

Perhaps the HRPC WG can assist us here,

Paul