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Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-edns-tags-00.txt

Dick Franks <rwfranks@acm.org> Fri, 08 March 2019 10:02 UTC

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From: Dick Franks <rwfranks@acm.org>
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 10:02:03 +0000
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-edns-tags-00.txt
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 03:58, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:

8<

You are suggesting to introduce an option code point to convey blobs in
> DNS. So different parties can send and receive blobs. You think or hope
> that these parties will interpret this blob the same. But you have no
> guarantee this is true.
>

groundhog day


> If you have a specific use case, get a code point for that specific use
> case. Than you know for sure what the blob means and that it will be
> interpreted by all parties in the same standard RFC way.
>

There are exactly two parties to a bi-lateral agreement.


> If your use case is too private/secret or non-standard, then use a
> code point from the "Reserved for Local/Experimental Use" range.


My inclination too, but the argument cannot be made by ignoring the
clearly stated requirement for agreement between participating parties.


--Dick

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