Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> Fri, 17 March 2017 07:48 UTC

Return-Path: <dougb@dougbarton.us>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F391243FE for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.003
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dougbarton.us
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Vaj3Zu1Uzk7 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from dougbarton.us (dougbarton.us [IPv6:2607:f2f8:ab14::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36D5120727 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:d:c12::cb6] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:d:c12::cb6]) by dougbarton.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A93379D for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=dougbarton.us; s=dkim; t=1489736891; bh=CWmrs5HleHHP6qiJgHf0GYHtOA5lmZAItt10aJRXrGs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=XkzFgVssYm9nDn6AgtJ2hCwMdprPc89Vgx6fSGX5HllbEXt7MbkL0CVLhJV31fyZI tC/38Rt6XwquJkW3MPXHuY06EDnj5kAeH5daCLCgAcFhFmQO9g4qmhy94xKxpc47Ce PqgxcxgXf4dtxRp0kVKN7KyundQ+K2uzdG7fvKso=
To: dnsop@ietf.org
References: <CADyWQ+ETSd199ok0fgh=PB=--hW7buPgSoCg22aK51Bk4xxBmw@mail.gmail.com> <CADyWQ+GUDg2iA+MQ9xjNLDVvRgnd9PD=pLBNNvp0xK3UZVSqTA@mail.gmail.com> <1AD82FB6-735A-4124-A0A3-2158EC567AD6@nohats.ca> <CAHw9_iK+SWiHZwGgHZRO2T1MLVQZS-2BaeZBzyUuZ0iWHX2ZjA@mail.gmail.com> <fa0b1bd1-f7b8-c3bc-58a3-397c1b118370@bogus.com> <alpine.LRH.2.20.999.1703121922250.11053@bofh.nohats.ca> <19668099-d361-5bd5-7efb-2aab92c190e6@bbiw.net> <20170313202811.GI4095@mournblade.imrryr.org> <68798e06-326b-4b6c-a916-9582cb72c6af@dcrocker.net>
From: Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us>
Message-ID: <78b1395e-32e3-5e63-00f1-251fa8eb70d0@dougbarton.us>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:48:05 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <68798e06-326b-4b6c-a916-9582cb72c6af@dcrocker.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/9yR6GiY_BpmaOZYNgPqZUY4ip54>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 07:48:09 -0000

On 03/13/2017 07:28 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 3/13/2017 1:28 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
>> Whether we like it or not,
>> publication of said existing practice by the IETF will be seen as
>> an endorsement of that practice.
>
>
> This kind of assertion is frequently made, but never demonstrated with
> anything other than theory or anecdotes, the latter usually second-hand.

I agree with Viktor. If the world doesn't take what the IETF says 
seriously, why are we all wasting our time?

Doug