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To: Elias Heftrig <elias.heftrig@sit.fraunhofer.de>,
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Elias,

I will have to read erratum report 8038 (RFC6840) for a definitive answer, =
but the IESG statement and my explanations about erratum report 8037 probab=
ly apply.

Regards

-=E9ric

From: Elias Heftrig <elias.heftrig@sit.fraunhofer.de>
Date: Friday, 2 August 2024 at 17:29
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@c=
isco.com>
Cc: Rose, Scott W. (Fed) <scott.rose@nist.gov>, Rob Austein <sra@hactrn.net=
>, RFC Editor <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, Rob Austein <sra@isc.org>, masse=
y@cs.colostate.edu <massey@cs.colostate.edu>, ek.ietf@gmail.com <ek.ietf@gm=
ail.com>, Olafur Gudmundsson <ogud@ogud.com>, dnsext@ietf.org <dnsext@ietf.=
org>, dnsop@ietf.org <dnsop@ietf.org>, Schulmann, Haya <haya.schulmann@sit.=
fraunhofer.de>, Vogel, Niklas <niklas.vogel@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Waidner, Mi=
chael <michael.waidner@sit.fraunhofer.de>
Subject: Re: [Ext] [DNSOP] Re: [dnsext] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4035=
 (8037)
Hi Paul,

is the other thread dealing with these errata on dnsop? Mail archive
searches for RFC8640 and errata report 8038 were unsuccessful. Would be
glad to be pointed to it.

@Eric, does your statement on errata report 8037 (RFC4035) also apply to
the very similar errata report 8038 (RFC6840), which we filed as well?

Best,

Elias

PS: Added my co-authors from the research team where I am a student from
to CC.

On 02.08.24 16:32, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2024, at 06:11, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=3D40cisco.com@dm=
arc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>   As you kindly added me in cc, Iet me chime in (after a couple of PTO d=
ays): per the IESG statement on errata processing [1]:
>> - as the errata clearly does not represent the DNSEXT WG intent at the p=
ublication time, this erratum cannot be =93verified=94
>> - nevertheless, it can be =93held for document update=94 (and I will act=
 accordingly on Monday if I hear no strong objection) as the IESG statement=
 includes =93any future update of the document *might* consider it=94
> Ahhh, I had missed that. Earlier, that phrase was meant to indicate that =
the errata reviewers assumed the fix *would* be included; I'm glad to see t=
hat expectation has been toned down.
>
> I stand by my statement that the errata process is poorly defined and not=
 all that well executed, but I fully admit that there is little will to fix=
 it in the near future.
>
>>   Perhaps time to write an I-D updating RFC 4035 in DNSOP ?
> Already done: see RFC 6840. DNSOP has been discussing the topic that caus=
ed this errata in another thread, and there are various arguments about whe=
ther there is any real value for changing the MUST to a SHOULD given the wo=
rding in other standards-track RFCs.
>
> --Paul Hoffman
>

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>Elias Heftrig &lt;elias.heftrig@sit.fraunhofer.de&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 2 August 2024 at 17:29<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Hoffman &lt;paul.hoffman@icann.org&gt;, Eric Vyncke (evynck=
e) &lt;evyncke@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>Rose, Scott W. (Fed) &lt;scott.rose@nist.gov&gt;, Rob Austein &l=
t;sra@hactrn.net&gt;, RFC Editor &lt;rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org&gt;, Rob Aus=
tein &lt;sra@isc.org&gt;, massey@cs.colostate.edu &lt;massey@cs.colostate.e=
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ext] [DNSOP] Re: [dnsext] [Technical Errata Reported] =
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<br>
is the other thread dealing with these errata on dnsop? Mail archive <br>
searches for RFC8640 and errata report 8038 were unsuccessful. Would be <br=
>
glad to be pointed to it.<br>
<br>
@Eric, does your statement on errata report 8037 (RFC4035) also apply to <b=
r>
the very similar errata report 8038 (RFC6840), which we filed as well?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Elias<br>
<br>
PS: Added my co-authors from the research team where I am a student from <b=
r>
to CC.<br>
<br>
On 02.08.24 16:32, Paul Hoffman wrote:<br>
&gt; On Aug 2, 2024, at 06:11, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) &lt;evyncke=3D40cisco.=
com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; As you kindly added me in cc, Iet me chime in (after a=
 couple of PTO days): per the IESG statement on errata processing [1]:<br>
&gt;&gt; - as the errata clearly does not represent the DNSEXT WG intent at=
 the publication time, this erratum cannot be =93verified=94<br>
&gt;&gt; - nevertheless, it can be =93held for document update=94 (and I wi=
ll act accordingly on Monday if I hear no strong objection) as the IESG sta=
tement includes =93any future update of the document *might* consider it=94=
<br>
&gt; Ahhh, I had missed that. Earlier, that phrase was meant to indicate th=
at the errata reviewers assumed the fix *would* be included; I'm glad to se=
e that expectation has been toned down.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I stand by my statement that the errata process is poorly defined and =
not all that well executed, but I fully admit that there is little will to =
fix it in the near future.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps time to write an I-D updating RFC 4035 in DNSO=
P ?<br>
&gt; Already done: see RFC 6840. DNSOP has been discussing the topic that c=
aused this errata in another thread, and there are various arguments about =
whether there is any real value for changing the MUST to a SHOULD given the=
 wording in other standards-track RFCs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --Paul Hoffman<br>
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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