Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Tue, 20 September 2016 13:35 UTC
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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 05:53:53PM -0400, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote a message of 31 lines which said: > However, if there is not sufficient review and feedback for the > chairs to be able to select between them (or some other clear > outcome), we will be stuck... and then we will continue to talk > about this topic ad nauseam[0]. Or we could decide that the problem is not solvable in the current context and tell that to the IESG. Some things are simply not possible. And I'm still not convinced there is a problem to solve (unless the real issue is "how to prevent the registration of .gnu and .bit?") The rest of this email is about draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-06. Executive summary: no, no and no. Problems ******** Despite many remarks on this list and in IETF meetings, the draft continues to use disparaging terms like (section 1) "squatting". Several remarks in the draft are dishonest because they could be applied as well to many IETF technologies. It really seems the authors felt the draft was too short and decided to pile in anything they could find against 6761. For instance, section 3 says: > [RFC6761] does not mention if the protocol using the reserved name > should be published as an RFC document. So what? It was never a problem at IETF to rely on protocols which are not in a RFC. (See for instance the "Specification Required" policy in RFC 5226.) Another instance of the same problem, section 4 says: > c. Reserving a string in [RFC6761] does not guarantee queries will > not leak in the DNS. Requiring this is outrageous: there is no way to prevent implementations to do stupid things. RFC 1918 does not "guarantee packets will not leak [in the public Internet]" and nobody is going to criticize RFC 1918 for that. (Not to mention the DNS leaks of rfc1918-domains.arpa.) Section 5: > This leads to concerns about liability risks incurred by adding a > particular string to the [RFC6761] registry. There is no way to guard against any issue that a US lawyer may raise. Until now, no owner of the Local or Onion trademarks complained, or threatened to sue. Errors ****** Section 1 : > the GNU Name System (GNS) system is using block chains to build a > decentralized name system GNS does not use any blockchain. (Confusion with Namecoin?) Little details ************** Abstract : > RFC 6761 introduced a framework by which a particular domain name > could be acknowledged as being special. Actually, suffix, not domain name (RFC 6761, section 4). Section 1 : > An algorithmic solution frequently chosen by application developers > consists simply in using a special tag padded at the end of a name Why calling it "tag", instead of "label" (or "suffix" if there are several labels)?
- [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use N… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… John R. Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special U… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… Jeremy Rand
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… avri doria
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] In a vacuum, nobody can hear you scre… hellekin