Re: [DNSOP] draft-wkumari-dnsop-internal and DNAME

Matt Larson <matt@kahlerlarson.org> Fri, 10 November 2017 13:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-wkumari-dnsop-internal and DNAME
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> On Nov 10, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:
> 
> draft-wkumari-dnsop-internal-00 says "This document requests that the
> .internal TLD be assigned to the IANA (similar to the way that
> .example is) and a DNSSEC insecure delegation (that is, a delegation
> with no DS records) be inserted into the root-zone, delegated to
> blackhole-[12].iana.org."
> 
> This implies NS records in the root. Why not using the DNAMEs of RFC
> 7535 instead? I understand there is currently no ICANN process to add
> DNAME in the root zone but there is no process to add .internal
> either.

Without commenting on the contents of that particular draft, I'll note that from a technical/mechanical perspective, ICANN's and Verisign's root zone management systems already know how to deal with delegations. A DNAME in the root would require an unknown level of development by both parties.

While you're correct about no existing process (that I'm aware of) to add either .internal or a DNAME to the root, at least with a delegation there is only process work, not technical work, as well.

Adding new types of information to the root is certainly possible: I'm not trying to discourage that. But for planning and expectation-setting purposes, the community needs to take into account the long lead time that will be required for anything that requires technical modifications to the root zone management system.

Matt