Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material
Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org> Sat, 09 May 2015 17:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material
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On 5/9/15, 18:27, "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >>Besides Paul's valid "what if it's 100,000?", how does an engineer >>distinguish between 100x people and 100x organized bots? > >I dunno. How do we know that the traffic for .corp and .home is from >people rather than botnets? Through forensic analysis. E.g., finding that Cert Auth's issued certificates with ".corp" names. And that some) CPE's defaulted to ".home". Not saying that in a confrontational way. Just that this makes it pretty certain that the high query counts for those two were from non-bots. (Citing a report by Interisle: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/name-collision-02aug13-en.pdf) >If that wasn't clear, of course I agree with you. But we are writing >policy, not software. We're looking for evidence of substantial >private use, which is something we decide by making human decisions, >not by some mechanical packet counting formula. > >Having said all that, I'm certainly not opposed to collecting more >data. It's just not a substitute for making decisions. And just not more, but the right data. Keep in mind that there are two cases. Names that are already "polluted" and names that someone wants to innovate with. In the former case, a definition of "polluted" needs to be made being careful not to fall victim to gaming. For the latter case, the criteria would need to be different. Assuming both cases are accommodated.
- [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use N… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Dan York
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Hugo Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] .ALT, was Interim DNSOP WG meeting on… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… str4d
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Francisco Arias
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Francisco Arias
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Rubens Kuhl
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews