Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt

william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com> Thu, 29 March 2018 06:30 UTC

Return-Path: <chinese.apricot@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFAE126CD6 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:26 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BOUND_DIGITS_15=0.798, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZbgCLadF78VJ for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C2D1205D3 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v194-v6so6584243itb.0 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nzXQ7ZLMVfsGlokePs6qfFv9yWThNbcq/hjDCPub6vY=; b=FIVEnA0Jvt78EBAjedqXqDQktOSV4g5GIy0qXymgZt00hiMfGdxJx5P/BKv2+ndsgn b0pid6obmiPnScJGUU8p6jP6WgeN8vzsl43Jca2C4Z3lI7D57C/O/5RQGPw9aMUgB+Lr aac+levz10dT0LERq79oC18pXCpuVcfIVJqcjL9svMWhj/d8WD+nJBHsrueXaiQ6q26T 94TFwU84AZAjaKjD0RdRUQzd9qgCjfCB25omekXOH/NhFbGu2Oemik+8Kc4gQ8CseqVB gjsH4kkHsdtae4URqiHkD/VbXLqogaziCJZUrgn5tBjnxIrEzLhu+heWpmO8ocO2Pma2 wPtw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nzXQ7ZLMVfsGlokePs6qfFv9yWThNbcq/hjDCPub6vY=; b=A7rfKMctetRyeIYw8Ym+WAsfJLFg9ZRieRVyXPi/pd8ANbnfWolhfQk8Yypo6SteSh nOW7I6fMUbucYG7o6GDFoy0bJr4TPV4Twjj3dHyy2RNf1TtvLo8ZL52dpFkECIgiSeyJ JI/2V9IG8l9SVxMqj4tJ61V8dgxmVBT0vawY5suS2mcGgdNAgkhy//KrvYFTCNgL5Xlr VwWAkbuKxf2NIazKbtMTUThFat+8YbBm0yQN+zejwKarXcrnhK6xw2FEJeiw0tLz7ZnE tZ/tFcziDtvQfUWyddtmedQRS4ijA6FhlsZGOp6RF7DSd4mV+2JxvGq54wJ/AOEt+adW 8H4w==
X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EvgylFMHHAHfQ+lHXwelDQwE7ju8HOrdWQYCLc+cSaz8R0ASbh EX8TQbtoW4SLQr5p9KY/9czZQndxe4+Z9tbHCII=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/Ivz0lH1oFqAg9DITYPbUF8tuhcb5qT1ewz1fpLi3bkntmTeH5j/rntiAbkXVScNQcHCisM5Y1vub2qnxeRBs=
X-Received: by 2002:a24:530f:: with SMTP id n15-v6mr6092444itb.123.1522305023905; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.107.223.7 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:23 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAKW6Ri6GGoUpKbp1sH7SACWJk+YFphHOsb8zuciQNEwB=ry+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nkc8DhXEEhiDqwHuA-_zNQc0n=rTZ-VZ6X8-0w-tY_0SC0eA@mail.gmail.com> <40ABB9EB-58EC-48FF-8117-60EE0E7006EF@isc.org> <CA+nkc8BfMKRUHuW+3EzOCeZHfmu1jeOgfVcszTbTYh9k2VTBcA@mail.gmail.com> <002DCABB-24CE-42FA-8DA6-2A458E5F89A1@isc.org> <5AB53F8B.9070504@redbarn.org> <7CF21F70-9419-4D6A-B555-FC229F90E8A9@isc.org> <5AB546CB.3030408@redbarn.org> <CCAE4014-67F8-4E73-A893-AA06B83E880B@isc.org> <20180324124958.GA29255@puck.nether.net> <CAJhMdTPRn=mUQ6xh_HFdFLBk109b_M2+saS86KFxsttb8_oVvw@mail.gmail.com> <20180325080558.GA18671@isc.org> <alpine.LRH.2.21.1803251125310.31237@bofh.nohats.ca> <0474833D-468F-4C59-BAC4-56A562B5C1E3@isc.org> <5AB90F81.3040900@redbarn.org> <80BC1552-1728-43B4-A86D-FC5F9548B228@isc.org> <5AB914FE.5030406@redbarn.org> <CAKW6Ri6GGoUpKbp1sH7SACWJk+YFphHOsb8zuciQNEwB=ry+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:30:23 -0700
Message-ID: <CACfw2hhhtdJnxeAOH4wEWz+WDw=Jr8J=3FnOp5XPpUp8hNDKJQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com>
Cc: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>, =?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBTdXLDvQ==?= <ondrej@isc.org>, dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003094550568874296"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/AuQ2XvjXSKwpRY84QbMYtGb9JVI>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:30:27 -0000

my mailbox is not filled with crap from spammers, if that is what you
mean.  it's not empty either. :)
if you want to kill off NSAP-PTR, I'd support that.

/Wm

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com>; wrote:

>
> On 26 March 2018 at 16:42, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>; wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ondřej Surý wrote:
>>
>>> No, I am claiming that no current Internet standard is using those
>>> records and they were already marked as EXPERIMENTAL or OBSOLETE 30
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>
>> the original specification of these RR types is still in effect,
>> regardless of whether any other specification currently specifies whether
>> to use them..
>>
>> i don't entirely disagree that the Internet System definition ought to be
>> a window, adding new things and deleting old things as it marches down the
>> years.
>>
>> but if you want to deprecate something that somebody somewhere may still
>> be using, then it's because the definition for it is still in effect --
>> thus neither experimental nor obsolete as you begin.
>>
>> the process for doing so is more than reaching consensus on this working
>> group. figure out a schedule that includes outreach.
>
>
>
> This hypothetical somebody somewhere has already had 30 years warning that
> these RR's will disappear or be replaced by something better.
>
> Deprecation signals end of life, end of support, end of story.
>
> To speak of outreach in this particular case is a nonsense; your
> hypothetical friend has been ignoring the real world for 30 years, and
> nothing drops into his mailbox these days.
>
>
>
>
>> --
>> P Vixie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> DNSOP mailing list
>> DNSOP@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DNSOP mailing list
> DNSOP@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
>
>