Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld-00.txt
Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 13 February 2014 00:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld-00.txt
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In message <CAKr6gn1fjJG=pgYbu7oDEOo+g1PQruRid5HRD3NTRiXVUFmSHw@mail.gmail.com>, George Michaelson writes: > > > > > On 2014-02-12, at 11:28, Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote: > > > > > - I like better that approach than the previous draft registering many > > tlds. > > > > The previous draft (at least for some of the TLDs) was anchored in the > > reality that changing the name already in use was not practical, e.g. > > there's a sufficient deployed base that uses DNS-like names ending in ONION > > that proposals to use things like ONION.ARPA were non-starters. > > > > I dissent from this view. I strongly disagree with any characterisation of > the problem of code replacement in service being intractable, and I think > it is a false premise. > > I realize I am probably a lone voice on this, but at *no* time have I felt > the "there are too many already" argument has merit, and it has materially > impeded several outcomes we now face, because of failure to accept the > necessary transition pain. The future is always bigger. You are not a lone voice. I have already described how to do such migrations. They take time but they are do able. > > I think therefore that the ALT draft addresses quite a different problem: > > the choice of DNS-like (but not DNS) name structure for new applications > > that we don't know about yet. > > And as a consequence I disagree with this too. An orderly migration from > .ONION to another namespace is both feasible and capable of being planned > for. > > -G > > --001a1134519a2a68fd04f23e132e > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail= > _quote">On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Joe Abley <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a= > href=3D"mailto:jabley@hopcount.ca" target=3D"_blank">jabley@hopcount.ca</a= > >></span> wrote:<br> > <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= > x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><br> > On 2014-02-12, at 11:28, Marc Blanchet <<a href=3D"mailto:marc.blanchet@= > viagenie.ca">marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > > - I like better that approach than the previous draft registering many= > tlds.<br> > <br> > </div>The previous draft (at least for some of the TLDs) was anchored in th= > e reality that changing the name already in use was not practical, e.g. the= > re's a sufficient deployed base that uses DNS-like names ending in ONIO= > N that proposals to use things like ONION.ARPA were non-starters.<br> > </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I dissent from this view. I strongly disag= > ree with any characterisation of the problem of code replacement in service= > being intractable, and I think it is a false premise.</div><div><br></div> > <div>I realize I am probably a lone voice on this, but at *no* time have I = > felt the "there are too many already" argument has merit, and it = > has materially impeded several outcomes we now face, because of failure to = > accept the necessary transition pain. The future is always bigger.=A0</div> > <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= > ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > <br> > I think therefore that the ALT draft addresses quite a different problem: t= > he choice of DNS-like (but not DNS) name structure for new applications tha= > t we don't know about yet.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And as a= > consequence I disagree with this too. An orderly migration from .ONION to = > another namespace is both feasible and capable of being planned for.</div> > <div><br></div><div>-G=A0</div></div></div></div> > > --001a1134519a2a68fd04f23e132e-- > > > --===============0150303104473161178== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > --===============0150303104473161178==-- > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Arturo Servin
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… John Bond
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-t… George Michaelson