[DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification for draft-tjjk-cared-00.txt

[tirumal reddy <[e-mail]>]

 In enterprise networks, DNS services typically enforce policies at the
organization and user-group levels, rather than at the individual user
level. DNS filtering is generally not imposed based on individual user
identities. It would be interesting to evaluate other possible solutions
that could enforce security policies at the organization and user-group
levels without revealing the end-user identities to the DNS service.

-Tiru

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 00:12, Tommy Jensen <Jensen.Thomas=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hello dnsop,
>
> Not to distract from the "should we deprecate DNS64" discussion I started
> after proposing updates to 7050, but this is the second draft (last one, I
> promise) I'll be proposing to this group as interesting work ahead of IETF
> 120. Joining me are co-authors Jessica from Microsoft and Jeff and Matt
> from Amazon.
>
> In light of enterprises increasingly using encrypted DNS for their own
> "Protective DNS" resolvers, we are proposing best practices for when and
> how to use client authentication with encrypted DNS. Since this is a Good
> Thing for enterprises who control both peers (stronger security for client
> policy application and security auditing post-attack) and a Bad Thing
> otherwise (privacy violations for the non-enterprises cases common to
> consumers), we feel there is a need to specify when implementors should or
> should not use it.
>
> Spoiler alert: we prefer mTLS as the ideal authentication mechanism. I'll
> let the draft speak for itself as to why. Feedback and discussion is
> welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Tommy
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:32 AM
> *To:* Jeffrey Damick <[e-mail]>; Jessica Krynitsky <
> [e-mail]>; Matt Engskow <[e-mail]>; Tommy
> Jensen <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification for draft-tjjk-cared-00.txt
>
> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-tjjk-cared-00.txt has been
> successfully
> submitted by Tommy Jensen and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:     draft-tjjk-cared
> Revision: 00
> Title:    Client Authentication Recommendations for Encrypted DNS
> Date:     2024-06-27
> Group:    Individual Submission
> Pages:    11
> URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tjjk-cared-00.txt
> Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tjjk-cared/
> HTML:     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tjjk-cared-00.html
> HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tjjk-cared
>
>
> Abstract:
>
>    For privacy reasons, encrypted DNS clients need to be anonymous to
>    their encrypted DNS servers to prevent third parties from correlating
>    client DNS queries with other data for surveillance or data mining
>    purposes.  However, there are cases where the client and server have
>    a pre-existing relationship and each peer wants to prove its identity
>    to the other.  For example, an encrypted DNS server may only wish to
>    accept resolutions from encrypted DNS clients that are managed by the
>    same enterprise.  This requires mutual authentication.
>
>    This document defines when using client authentication with encrypted
>    DNS is appropriate, the benefits and limitations of doing so, and the
>    recommended authentication mechanism(s) when communicating with TLS-
>    based encrypted DNS protocols.
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>
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